Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-08-08/Arbitration report

You know, I'm personally sort of sick of the whole "What does it tell us" thing. Herp derp,I had know idea I was supposed to conduct myself civilly, or that talk pages are not for off-topic discussion. That's like saying the OJ Simpson trial set a firm "no murdering people" precedent. If you're going to have this sort of feature at all, at least focus on the exceptional aspects of the case, or the clarifications made in terms of policy. Tell us something we don't know. ☻☻☻Sithman VIII !!☻☻☻ 23:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The segment should provide a snapshot of what the case says (usually, in more simple language), and those who want more detail or want to examine things further can go to the case page itself. Often, the most simplest of issues (to me, or even you) is either a source or a major factor in the multiple disputes that fester on Wikipedia, and despite how obvious some of these things are, they still end up needing to be reinforced in this last step of DR. Alternatively, it's a refusal to fully comply with the principles behind policies which leads to further escalation of the disputes. For example, what most administrators considered obvious (i.e. not to block a fellow party in a case) was apparently considered a grey line by a particular admin (about the time the case was opened), and strangely enough, in direct opposition to the Community, that admin still does may not fully comprehend how problematic it was for him to create the spectacle that he did. A few have suggested that it was a failure to explicitly reinforce the principle (that-seems-obvious-to-many) that became the source of further conflict at the conclusion of the case, so that could be part of the reason why it was explicitly reinforced at the conclusion of the case. But obviously, one can't ignore the fact that if the admin in question was openly and explicitly addressed early on (in line with the urges and requests to do so), a more positive resolution for the project would have emerged overall.


 * As to what's particularly different about this formulation of civility, this was a rare time where AC placed some importance (or emphasis) on a WMF Resolution - one which at least some users were unaware of. The other part which should be of interest is the fact that AC have spelled out (in a different way) that complying with the letter of a policy, and complying with the principles that gave rise to the policy, are not the same thing, and that sanctions will result for those who do not get their act together (be it due to unwillingness or inability). It was thought that by pointing out what the decision tells us, readers would become (more) aware and/or be reminded of some of the principles which are taken for granted, and that they will reflect on them enough (ideally, to a point where they will not end up in front of ArbCom over the same "issues" one day). How successful we are at doing so is possibly debatable, but it's something. Nevertheless, I do welcome feedback, and although I have received more positive feedback than negative feedback as far as this segment is concerned, if it's no longer of interest, then there shouldn't be a problem scrapping it (particularly when it can be more time-consuming than much of the rest of the report). Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the "What is the effect" sections, maybe just rename them? -- Jeandré, 2011-08-09t20:52z


 * "Final decision" like the Arb pages? -- Jeandré, 2011-08-11t12:36z

In light of "and opened a new case this week", how about changing "the Committee passed a motion to accept two separate cases" to something clearer? It's explained in the 2 bullet points, but caused a double take before I read them. -- Jeandré, 2011-08-09t20:52z
 * I'm not going to be available on a regular basis after Friday (RL overtakes). Still, do you have any suggestions (both on what the segment could be renamed, and a wording that might make sense without causing the confusion)? Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "Following a request for arbitration, the committee passed a motion to split manipulation of BLPs from the Cirt and Jayen466 request (both are currently open). No other cases are currently open." -- Jeandré, 2011-08-11t12:36z