Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-07-31/From the archives


 * Why, I wonder, are we stirring this particular pot again after all these years. Pending changes protection has been a reality for a long time now. The sky hasn't fallen, but PC remains a clumsy, confusing tool that some of us prefer to avoid. I tend to unwatch articles when PC is applied, but occasionally one slips onto my watchlist. When that happens, I may berate my computer, but I no longer grumble about any of my fellow Wikipedians. They did mean well, after all. The bumbling, heavy-handed tactics and borderline intellectual dishonesty that marked certain phases of the move to implement PC are, I think, best forgiven. I, for one, had mostly forgotten them. Rivertorch FIREWATER  05:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * PC as discussed there only applies if a page has explicitly been PC-protected. There are much stricter anti-vandalism measures (i.e. PC by default applies to all pages) on other wikis. And they work, too. Much ado about nothing. --85.179.52.47 (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * de.wp has had issues with backlogs as a consequence of their FraggedRevs implementation. "And they work" implies there are no or minimal backlogs. —Jeremy v^_^v  Bori! 02:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This is not about Pending Changes:  illustrate the eccentricities of our system for obtaining consensus, rather than pending changes itself. His experience motivated him to later pen his excellent essay "The perfect policy proposal" . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I totally got that. But it referenced a specific series of discussions on an especially controversial topic. One can't publish an essay about the flora and fauna of Bikini Atoll and expect readers to forget the fact that it's radioactive, after all! In no way did I mean to slight the validity of Beeblebrox's experience trying to herd cats seek consensus or the value of recounting it, and I should have made that clear in my earlier comment. Rivertorch  FIREWATER  06:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I've never used pending changes once in all the time I've been an admin (partially cause I have no idea to to implement the tool and partially because it seems too stupid to use a tool when no one can agree on its use), but I can relate the idea of trying to get so massive a group as this Wikipedia collectively to actually agree on anything. I've tried one or two big-ish things of this nature and gotten the exact same results as Beeblebrox and Coca-Cola. TomStar81 (Talk) 11:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)