Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-01/News and notes


 * Like all businesses, Wikipedia seeks to make profit without constraint. I, for one, am dismayed by the use of our website for political issues like these, especially for the craven purposes of the WMF, who has shown time and again they don't give a damn about editors. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 01:38, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Chris, just to clarify – you mean you don't approve of site blackouts and the banners displayed in June (maybe July too, I'm not sure)? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:45, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course. I appreciate The Signpost's write up; I was unaware that the community had approved this EU-targeted measure. I seem to recall !voting against a proposal like this for us as an organization to complain about legislation. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 01:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and using site banners for political purposes seems quite unsavoury IMHO. It shouldn't be assumed that all Wikipedians will agree with the WMF's stance on this. And if you're worried about downstream commercial reusers not being able to use our files, perhaps getting rid of the fair-use policy would be the first place to start. Currently we intentionally host files that we know they can't use, so worrying about the unintentional ones isn't going to make that much difference to them. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have also !voted against this sort of thing in the past. While I support some lobbying, I think we need to be extremely careful not to involve the projects in activism. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:38, 1 October 2018 (UTC).


 * Regarding the first bulletpoint, I would personally prefer not to see fights/controversies make the "news and notes" simply because they involve drama between high-profile Wikipedians (I presume this was the reasoning, and apologize if I'm wrong -- it just otherwise does not have the far-reaching implications for the community and/or the encyclopedia that the other items on the list have). It strikes me that it may also impair the ability for the involved parties to put it behind them, as I imagine they would like to do. $0.02 anyway. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 21:16, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So that's what Kudpung is mad about? It happened, right? Was it an unfair characterization? Do some Wikipedians think that their kerfuffles aren't meant to be fodder for the hoi polloi? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I added that bullet as the first item in the report right after we published in August. It was intended to be a starting point for the actual News and notes feature writer to expand on or to discard. As it turned out, it ran in the issue, and I take full "credit" for it; that said, I don't think it's actually inappropriate, though I wish it had had better framing. Two things make it appropriate in my opinion: first, it directly concerns the operations of The Signpost as a dispute over what's appropriate in reader comments; and second, it concerns perception about the actions of one or more administrators/oversighters/arbcom members (even if former), which I see as in the broader public interest here. As Chris states above, anyone should expect our highly visible public actions to be fair game for comment, but certainly so if they hold advanced permissions granted to people in a position of trust gained through especially good judgment. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I might recommend Lorem ipsum in the future. probably would have appreciated an html comment for explication.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 19:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)