Talk:Golan Heights

Semi-protected edit request

In the intro please add that the Golan Heights is located in the Levant region of Western Asia. 2600:100C:A20A:17AF:D9D8:6C3F:C4CF:9590 (talk) 06:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Andumé (talk) 23:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Grammatical errors

Could someone please correct the following grammatical/spelling errors:

Etymology section, 3rd paragraph: "and it an Arabized version" should be "and it is an Arabized version".

Caption on image: "A mnefield warning sign in the Golan" should be "A minefield warning sign in the Golan".

Byzantine period subsection, 2nd paragraph: "were influenced by the synagogues of the Galilee but had its own distinctive characteristics" should be "were influenced by the synagogues of the Galilee but had their own distinctive characteristics".

Early Jewish settlement subsection, 1st paragraph: "but by the mid-1890s most was owned and cultivated" should be "but by the mid-1890s most were owned and cultivated".

Border incidents after 1948 subsection, 2nd paragraph: "established a de facto presence on and control of eastern shore of the lake." should be "established a de facto presence on and control of the eastern shore of the lake."

Cheers Yup (talk) 21:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for reporting these. Zero^talk 06:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Neutrality

• What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

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On the other hand, expressing pro-Syrian rhetoric, The Economist

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On the other hand, expressing pro-Syrian viewpoints, The Economist

• Why it should be changed: As it is written, it is not neutral since the word "rhetoric" has mostly negative connotations.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

2601:245:C100:5E5C:3978:8B2F:26A6:7870 (talk) 02:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

References

 Note: Apart from the loaded word "rhetoric", the sentence (On the other hand, expressing pro-Syrian rhetoric, The Economist found, represents the Golan Druzes' view...) doesn't make much sense and needs to be changed. M.Bitton (talk) 12:50, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done I've cleaned up this sentence as well. Sagflaps (talk) 19:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Scope?

What is the scope of this article? The territory occupied by Israel in 1967, or a more general geographic area that possibly extends to non-occupied parts of Syria and Lebanon? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Googling "Golan Heights" shows that most sources identify it as a geopolitical entity, i.e. Syrian and occupied by Israel since 1967, and not as primarily a geographic region. Editing accordingly. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

[1], [2], [3], [4] Makeandtoss (talk) 12:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@האופה: Please provide RS for your reasoning and participate in the talk page discussion. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@האופה: Assuming good faith and pinging one more time. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Both. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I support [5] this edit restoring an earlier and more neutral lead. As I remember from discussions on this talk page years ago: the political status of the region is complex and cannot be summarized in a brief sentence. Therefore the political status is given, but not in the first sentence, where there isn't room to put the complexities. Trying to fit in a bit of the political status into the first sentence tends to create a sentence perceived as biassed by some people and is therefore avoided. This is a longstanding solution for this page to reduce editwarring. There was a much earlier version of the first sentence years ago that somehow managed to describe it in terms of the countries around it without actually stating (or implying) its own political status in that sentence. Whoever came up with that version was a genius. Please discuss on talk page before changing controversial parts of the article such as the first sentence. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 13:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

It isn't all that complex, Syrian territory occupied by Israel, effectively annexed by Israel but that has been overwhelmingly rejected by the international community. See Status of the Golan Heights. nableezy - 14:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Still probably too much to fit all that into the first sentence. Someone would come along, think the sentence is awkward, shorten it, and the editwarring would start up again. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I don’t feel like the potential for future disruption means we shouldn’t strive for an accurate and comprehensive article or lead. nableezy - 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

We can have an accurate and comprehensive article without feeling we have to stuff a lot of information into the first sentence. That said, I notice that the first sentence of Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights, "The Golan Heights are a rocky plateau in the Levant region of Western Asia that was captured by Israel from Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War.", seems to be reasonably short, mentions both geography and political information, seems neutral to me (by not mentioning whether it's occupied or annexed; that can be discussed in later sentences) and seems at a quick glance at the page history to have been staying unchanged in the article for some time. So it might be a candidate for a first sentence of this article. Feel free to suggest other alternatives. What do you see as being inaccurate or un-comprehensive? What do you think needs to change, why, and what specific wording would you suggest? ☺Coppertwig (talk) 18:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m fine with that but it also needs to include occupied by Israel in the following sentence, or say and has been occupied by Israel since in that same sentence. nableezy - 22:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Gamla Nature Reserve

Under Landmarks, below the pictures of Gamla Nature Reserve, I think it’s important to mention that the pictures are featuring the winter views of the region (during the winter). From April to November it has a very different look to it. it’s getting dry and yellow. דולב חולב (talk) 14:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Do we really have to be very precise about the date of a picture?

I mean, you can see the date it was created by clicking on the picture.PAper GOL (talk) 20:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it’s important to distinguish the very different views from the winter to the long summers. דולב חולב (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I know it’s important for the locals.

they’re always talking about how different are the views in this area and in Israel between summer and winter. דולב חולב (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

The files seem to have been created in April, if I'm interpreting the data correctly. They look more green than yellow to me. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems reasonable to me to leave off the date, or to put the month and year the photo was taken in parentheses at the end of the caption, or there may be other alternatives. I'm not sure whether there are guidelines about this. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)