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This category was nominated for deletion on 7 April 2010. The result of the discussion was procedural keep.

Hang on[edit]

I wasn't aware this had existed and been deleted, and am just going to contact the deletng administrator to get the background. It seems to be a perfectly acceptable category under Category:Fictional characters by ethnicity (which includes for example Fictonal Arabs, Fictional Celts and Fictional Gypsies), and the examples I have added to it are I think non-controversial. --Smerus (talk) 18:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK I seem to be unable to locate the administrator of the last discussion. I've had a look at a previous dicussion where the decision was to delete all categories of 'Fictional characters by religion'. I didin't even consider religion, I was thinking of characters by their ethnicity. Indeed I created it as a sub-category of the eminently acceptable (or at least not so far questioned) Category:Fictional characters by ethnicity. If it is of interest, I started it bcause I found the Wandering Jew rather msileadngly categorised under 'Jewish people'. As the Category:Jewish people exists, it is clear that Jewish ethnicity is recognised by Wikipedia. Certainly all of those I have included so far, (and many that I haven't - yet) were created by their authors as examples of Jewish ethnicity and I don't think any of them have much to say about the philosophy of Judaism as a religion. The characters involved are Jewish fictional characters in the same way as Sinbad the Sailor is listed as a Fictional Arab, Heathcliff is a Fictional Gipsy, or the Mighty Quinn is categorised as a fictional Eskimo. I would apprecaite an explanation of what (if anything) is controversial about this. And if necessary I would ask for the whole thing to be reconsidered. Thanks. --Smerus (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been deleted a total of 14 times so far, due to this discussion. anemoneprojectors talk 18:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would also note that, with one exception, the articles in this category aren't about fictional Jews at all—they're novels. (The exception, Nathan Zuckerman, isn't described as a Jew in his article.) Leopold Bloom and Charlie Eppes are examples of fictional Jews.

By the way, when you created this category, you should have seen a pink box that said the category had been deleted multiple times in the past. See Category:Self-hating Jews for an example of what I mean. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you anemoneprojectors for posting the link to this discussion. I am not interested, as you see above,in the characters' religion. It is in fact likely that someone interested (for example)in racism in literature, for example, may wish to look up Fictional Jews (as they may like to look up, and can at present Category:Fictional Arabs, Category:Fictional Gypsies, etc.) Please read my comments above, which I wrote before your posting, and accept, I hope, that my porposal is made in a different manner form that previously considered as characters by religion. As Wikipedia accepts the ethnicity of Jews (as evidenced by Category:Jewish people, this should not I think be controversial.

Thanks also Malik Shabazz. I did see the box, but then it vanished after I corrected my first edit. Anyhow fortunately anemoneprojectors provided the necessary information. I think you may agree that the Wandering Jew is also an exception, and so is Fagin, but thanks for your further examples. I will not of course add them until and if this disucssion is decided in favour of retention. I can see that Category:Self-hating Jews would be controversial, but this proposal shouldn't be. Best regards - --Smerus (talk) 18:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh! You're right about Fagin. I'm sorry I overlooked him.

Since the category was previously deleted as a category about religion and you're asserting it's about Jewish ethnicity, I'll remove the "speedy deletion" nomination and nominate the category for a more thorough deletion discussion. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note for the record: per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 31 the parent Category:Fictional characters by ethnicity (as mentioned above) was renamed to Category:Fictional characters by ethnicity or nationality. – Fayenatic London 14:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Later that was upmerged, leaving Category:Fictional people by ethnicity and Category:Fictional people by nationality. – Fayenatic London 20:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]