Draft:Cueva Pintada (California)

Coordinates: 35°59′24″N 121°29′44″W / 35.99000°N 121.49556°W / 35.99000; -121.49556
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  • Comment: Fails WP:GNG; among the sources in the current version, citation #1 looks self-published, #2 and #3 are primary source government document records (the former also failing WP:SIGCOV), and #4 is being used to support an ancillary tangential detail and doesn't mention the topic of this article at all, as evidenced here. Left guide (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Greg, having seen the source retrieval date of 2016 in your Kirk Creek Campground submission, it appears you have been copying and pasting text and sources from other Wikipedia articles and submitting them as low effort articles without checking source and counting on reviewers not going through with a fine tooth comb. You have been talked to so many times about the use of junk sources and you have been here so long but you continue to submit blog sourced contents. Any articles you copy and paste from must be properly attributed as well. You can not just copy and paste anonymously from other Wikipedia articles. Graywalls (talk) 10:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: The source, Legends of America, which is still in the draft, is a blog and should be removed as unreliable, and should not be used in encyclopedia articles. From their own "About" info on the blog: "Hi Y'all, Legends of America is comprised of just the two of us — Dave & Kathy, .... With an entrepreneurial dream, we launched Legends of America in 2003." Basically they exist to sell travel stuff and fake Native American trinkets from their two "Mom & Pop" online shops. Please investigate the quality of sources before adding them to drafts or articles. And the xasauantoday.com citation is also a blog. Netherzone (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Citation #6 in the current version is a questionable source; its publisher (Arcadia) has been litigated multiple times at talk pages and RSN with no clear consensus on its general reliability, and has sometimes been proven to be a WP:COISOURCE. Per WP:BURDEN, any editor wishing to submit the draft should show evidence at talk page that the individual author is reliable and gain consensus, or else simply remove material referenced to the book; it is also improperly cited, as the link points to something irrelevant. Left guide (talk) 07:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: This draft has a title that either has been disambiguated, or will need disambiguation to be accepted.
    If this draft is accepted, a disambiguation page will need to be created. (Review of the existing article or articles with the principal name indicates that a disambiguation page should be crated in place of the use of hatnotes alone.)
    The disambiguation page should be Cueva Pintada (disambiguation). Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Too many sourcing errors - one source points to a search engine not a citation, two are blogs, another has a book citation error (work=ignored), and a fourth has the wrong URL that points to one of the blogs rather than the book stated in the citation text. Netherzone (talk) 18:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Reply - I have created a Draft:Cueva Pintada (disambiguation) page to handle this. Once this page has been reviewed and accepted it can be used in conjuntion to the Cueva Pintada (disambiguation) information for the article. Greg Henderson (talk 10:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Reply #2 - Please see WP:GEOFEAT, "Artificial geographical features that are officially assigned the status of cultural heritage or national heritage, or of any other protected status on a national level and for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available, are presumed to be notable." Greg Henderson (talk 17:39 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Presumed doesn't mean guaranteed; all article subjects must be shown to meet WP:GNG at a bare minimum. Left guide (talk) 00:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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Cueva Pintada
Cueva Pintada is located in California
Cueva Pintada
Cueva Pintada
Location in Monterey County
LocationKing City, California
Coordinates35°59′24″N 121°29′44″W / 35.99000°N 121.49556°W / 35.99000; -121.49556
Built ()
NRHP reference No.75000445
Added to NRHPFebruary 13, 1975

Cueva Pintada, locally known as La Cueva Pintada, or The Painted Cave, is a well preserved and documented prehistoric rock shelter covered with white, red, black, and ochre pictographs by Salinan people.[1] The site is protected within Fort Hunter Liggett, located 25 miles (40 km) to the southwest of King City, California U.S. The site was officially listed on the National Register of Historic Places on February 13, 1975.[2]

History[edit]

Bedrock mortars used to grind acorns

The archaeological site CA-MNT-256, Cueva Pintada, has some of the most well-preserved rock paintings (pictographs) in central California. Its significance is recognized by its inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places. In 1980, Archaeological Consulting, led by Gary S. Breschini and Trudy Haversat, embarked on a project focused on documenting the pictographs found La Cueva Pintada, with support from the California Office of History Preservation.[3]

The pictographs primarily originate from a Stone Age civilization that inhabited this region around 10,000 years ago. Some of the pictographs likely stem from later Indigenous peoples who utilized the Cave as a lookout point and for their own religious ceremonies. The Cave was preserved intact by the early Spanish Padres at the San Antonio Mission.[4]

In 1980, the archaeological exploration of the site resulted in the creation of over 360 drawings, tracings, and photographs capturing the pictographs. These records are currently housed at the Rock Art Archives at University of California, Los Angeles.[3]

Visits to the site are limited by the United States Army base at Fort Hunter Liggett. The entrance to the caves at an elevation of over 3,000 ft (910 m). They are protected by a chain link fence and concertina wire. The walls are covered with prehistoric white, red, black, and ochre pictographs.[1]

The rock overhangs and caves function as a rock shelter, standing at approximately 16 ft (4.9 m) in height and 21 ft (6.4 m) in width at the entrance. Internally, the cave expands to a maximum width of 45 ft (14 m), with a depth varying between 15 ft (4.6 m) and 20 ft (6.1 m). The pictographs show animal-like depictions as well as geometric or linear designs. These paintings are layered, appearing both beneath and atop the soot that darkens the ceiling of the cave. The paintings appear to be connected to various facets of local prehistoric life. Prior to the missionization of the indigenous people, rituals and ceremonies marked specific events, including the celebration of the winter solstice. Additionally, the transition from boyhood to manhood was accompanied by ritualistic practices.[1]

Researchers propose that the pictographs played a role in these and other rituals. According to legend, after converting to Christianity, the indigenous people informed the Franciscan Fathers about the cave's location, hoping that they would visit and eliminate the idols within. The pictographs, along with bedrock mortars created through the grinding of vegetable material or pigments using stones or pestles, reflect ancient practices. The white pigment may have been originated from either limestone deposits or white clay. The black pigment came from soot or charcoal, while the red pigment was from cinnabar.[1]

The CA-MNT-256 site is Salinan in origin. It corresponds to the "Cave of the Idols," which was presented to the padres at Mission San Antonio shortly after its establishment and is referenced in Junípero Serra's letter dated May 21, 1773.[5] The Salinan Native American tribe lived along the Salinas River, encompassing present-day Monterey County and San Luis Obispo counties.[6]

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References[edit]

  1. ^ a b c d "Historic California Posts: Fort Hunter Liggett". California State Military Museum. Retrieved November 7, 2013.
  2. ^ "Cueva Pintada". Office of Historic Preservation. February 13, 1975. Retrieved March 8, 2024.
  3. ^ a b Trudy Haversat; Gary S. Breschini (1980). La Cueva Pintada, the Painted Cave: CA-MNT-256 (National Register of Historic Places Inventory Nomination Form). Proceedings of the Society for California Archaeology. Retrieved March 8, 2024.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  4. ^ "Guide to U.S. Army Museums and Historic Sites". Center of Military History, Department of the Army. 1975. pp. 72–73. Retrieved March 12, 2024.
  5. ^ "Ethnographic Overview of the Los Padres National Forestwork=Northwest Economic Associates" (PDF). February 6, 2004. pp. 65, 68–69, 97, 174. Retrieved March 12, 2024.
  6. ^ Campbell, Lyle (September 21, 2000). American Indian Languages The Historical Linguistics of Native America. Oxford University Press. p. 125. ISBN 9780195349832. Retrieved March 10, 2024.

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Category:Rock shelters Category:Salinas Valley Category:National Register of Historic Places in Monterey County, California Category:Geography of Monterey County, California Category:Santa Lucia Range Category:Native American tribes in California Category:History of Monterey County, California

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