Draft talk:Death of the Dickason children

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Wikipedia is not a news website[edit]

@ArleneHerman: Wikipedia is not a news website, so editors should not be writing about events currently in the news, just because they are news. Article like this need to demonstrate there is a lasting effect arising from the events this article is covering. Also, because the alleged perpetrator has not been found guilty, and the court case is ongoing, I think it is too soon to be creating an article about this as a court case. Additionally, as a notable crime, the title of this article should follow the naming conventions for deaths, and should be named "Death of the Dickason children" until such time as the verdict is delivered and the court determines if anyone is guilty of a crime. Alternatively, if you want to write this article as a court case, its naming should follow the Manual of Style for Legal Cases, such as "R v Dickason". - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC) Thank you Cameron Dewe.[reply]

  • Apologies @Cameron Dewe. That makes sense of course. Are we able to draft it for the time being? --ArleneHerman (talk) 22:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Cameron Dewe. I have moved this back to a DRAFT. I am not sure how to name it as a Legal case. Well which would work. :) Thank you! --ArleneHerman (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ArleneHerman: Yes, moving this article to Draft space while the court case is in progress is a good idea. I also see you have renamed the article as an article about death of the children, there is no need to be concerned about a legal case, which would focus on the arguments heard at trial, and the legal principles involved, not the totality of what happened. Writing about the death of the children is a broader scope and almost anything related to their deaths should be able to be covered within the scope of the article, including this court case and any subsequent appeals.
    To see how legal cases are named in the New Zealand Justice system, visit the Daily Lists and upcoming cases webpage for the Courts of New Zealand and open one of the pages for the day. These lists have a lifetime of a couple of days before they disappear from the website. But you will see that often the two parties involved in these cases are named together, separated by the letter "v". At the end of a court case, the Court will issue a judgement or findings in the case, with the title following the same convention. Sometimes the judgement will also say how the judgement should be cited in legal journals that report on these cases. Wikipedia tends to follow the same convention, so for this case it is likely to be called "R v Dickason", since the Courts currently list it as "THE CROWN v DICKASON,...." - in legal parlance, the words "The Crown" are normally abbreviated to "R" because that is the sovereign's official signature. Sometimes the name of the case is further abbreviated to just be the name of the defendant, especially if cited multiple times in the same document. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Cameron Dewe, Thank you for letting me know. I am not too familiar with the naming like that. I might let those other editors fix that. I won't be submitting the draft until after the trial is finished I think. Thank you so much for your help here. ArleneHerman (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thanks @ArleneHerman: for creating a draft of the article. Was thinking of doing it but glad someone has taken the initiative. Think it meets Wikipedia's notability due to the extensive NZ media coverage. I’ll be happy to help make it meet Wikipedia's standards. Articles like the Murder of Malachi Subecz may be a helpful model to follow. Andykatib 18:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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