Talk:1991 Football League Third Division play-off final

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1991 Football League Third Division play-off final has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 27, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
September 19, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
January 24, 2024	Good topic removal candidate	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 12, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Tranmere Rovers players were each promised a £10,000 bonus for winning the 1991 Football League Third Division play-off Final?
Current status: Good article

Sources[edit]

Playoffs[edit]

Bury Bolton leg 1 Done
"Burnley beached as tempers flare at Torquay". The Guardian. 20 May 1991. p. 12. Retrieved 22 February 2021 – via Newspapers.com. Tranmere Brentford leg 1 Done
both leg 2 Done

Background[edit]

H2H Done
FCHD Bolton Done
FCHD Tranmere Done

Preview[edit]

Times Done sort of
Liverpool Echo Done
Liverpool Echo ii Not done
Liverpool Echo iii Done
Liverpool Echo iv Done
Liverpool Echo v Not done

Match[edit]

11v11 Done
Guardian report Not done
Observer report Done
Sunday Times report Done
The Times Done
Sunday Tribune Not done
Liverpool Echo vi Not done
Liverpool Echo vii Done
Liverpool Echo vii++ Done
Newcastle Journal Done

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 09:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Tranmere Rovers players were each given a £10,000 bonus for winning the 1991 Football League Third Division play-off Final?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Conlon

5x expanded by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 15:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

QPQ is good. No image to review. Hook is interesting. Hook is under 200 characters. Article is long enough and neutral. Article is new enough. Article cites inline facts. Ref 15 needs a title parameter. Article is neutral. Supporting reference is paywalled, so AGF. However, the article says they would receive 10,000 for winning, not that they actually received the money. would suggest rewording to "were each promised a £10,000 bonus for winning the 1991 Football League Third Division play-off Final". No copyvios in spotcheck on ref 4. Therapyisgood (talk) 03:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

for: ... that Tranmere Rovers players were each promised a £10,000 bonus for winning the 1991 Football League Third Division play-off Final? Therapyisgood (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:1991 Football League Third Division play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 06:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

An IP fixed the obvious booboo here, but both teams still link to Bolton Wanderers F.C.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Worth mentioning the relevant tiers of the English football league system? (Doing so might require splitting the already-long first sentence.)
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tranmere dominated the match — This doesn't seem to be supported by the body of the article
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article currently describes six first-half goal-scoring opportunities, three for Bolton and three for Tranmere. Can that really support the new wording, Tranmere dominated the first half? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't. It describes a cross (not a shot) which Nixon tipped over, then a shot from Irons and a header from Malkin (both Tranmere). I've added in a half-time marker to help. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake—editing when tired. But I'm still not sure that two chances in 45 minutes is enough to say a side "dominated." See my edit. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Peterborough ended their following season in sixth position — Cool, I was really wondering how Peterborough's next season went.
Nothing wrong with red links. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. But Peterborough? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What's Peterborough doing in this article? --Usernameunique (talk) 08:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Route to the final

having scored more goals than Bolton — Was the tie breaker goals scored, or goal differential?
I swung on this, goal diff then goals scored. I'm not sure. It's not particularly relevant as Grimsby had better both, but I've asked at the project if someone has a reliable source to say why. If RS can't be found then I'll just remove the sentence and stick with the RS which have the league table, albeit without reasoning. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. Maybe just something like "won the tiebreaker" for now? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, we'd never use "won the tiebreaker" in BritEng in this context. It's a simple matter of which method was chosen and if we can't find RS we'll just go for the table as it's given in RS. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason the third paragraph is so much shorter than the second, despite that semi having had nearly twice as many goals? Notably, the second paragraph describes how and by whom each goal was scored, whereas the third says only by whom they were scored.
Sources didn't cover the other semi-final in any real level of detail. You can take a look at them and see for yourself, there's not much more I can extract. But for GA, the key is the most important facts are covered. Indeed, probably even just the score would suffice. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
two goals from Steve Cooper — Minute (or approximate time)?
Nope, not in the source. Even the standard results listings in that source just say Cooper scored twice and give no times. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

Tranmere's Scottish centre forward Jim Steel — What's the relevance of him being Scottish?
Just detail that was present in the sources. I have been told, in the past, that it's a shame that the final match reports are so brief and/or lacking in details. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Another header from Malkin — When?
Source doesn't say. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nixon then made his first save of the game — What about his tip in the 11th minute? Also, what minute (or general time)?
Two separate sources each having reported slightly differently, trying to conflate them all, this slipped through, adjusted. No idea of time. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Paul Comstive also missed an opportunity to put Bolton ahead — When? Details?
None of the above. A shame because it sounded like he dropped a clanger. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Brian Glanville, writing in The Sunday Times declared that "there could scarcely have been a more appropriate scorer" — Because of his close chances before?
Yes, I think that's what he was thinking. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Details

Time of match not given
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post-match

I imagine the shortness of this section (and lack of input from Phil Neal) is because there isn't much in the sources?
Yes, literally nothing from Phil I could find. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Peterborough ended their following season in sixth position — See above.
No worries with red links. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

#15 — The formatting of this is messed up, which appears to be because the title is missing
Gah, basics. Sorry. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#17 — Work (The Times) not given
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

The Rambling Man, over to you. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique, all addressed bar the goal difference/goals scored, which I've commented out for now in the article until I get an RS-based answer from the project (hopefully). Cheers for the review. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, a couple responses above. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique sorted now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, two comments above. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique sure, done and fine. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, the information regarding Bolton's following season is still mostly incorrect. The link to their following season is correct; their place is incorrect; they didn't even make the playoff that the article says they won; and they sure weren't promoted to the Second Division. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, come to think of it, the article also says that Tranmere was promoted to the Second Division, only to finish 14th in the Third Division. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usernameunique reckon you could have done that quicker! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, The Rambling Man, but I was pretty wiped and ready to call it a night at that point. Anyways, looks good! Passing now. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]