Talk:2001 Football League Second Division play-off final

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2001 Football League Second Division play-off final has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
February 16, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
September 19, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
January 24, 2024	Good topic removal candidate	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 20, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the owner of Walsall F.C. described victory at the 2001 Football League Second Division play-off Final* as the greatest day in the club's history?*
Current status: Good article

Youtube as a reliable reference?[edit]

86.172.126.101 (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

GA Review[edit]

GAN passed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:2001 Football League Second Division play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 15:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures[edit]

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
It contains copyright infringements -
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
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Lede[edit]

The 2001 Football League Second Division play-off Final was an association football match which was played on 27 May 2001 at the Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, between Walsall and Reading to determine the third and final team to gain promotion from the Football League Second Division to the First Division. - whilst this is fine, could we split into two sentences? I think the opening sentence of where and when is fine, and a second to say what the match was would be better. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Split. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The top two teams of the 2000–01 Football League Second Division season - this should probably say the top two teams in the league, rather than "of the season", which could be construed as being the best teams. It also says about a table for the other teams, which suggests you know its a league from the start. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
2001 Football League play-offs should be linked in the lede somewhere. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The match was refereed by Eddie Wolstenholme in front of a Millennium Stadium crowd of 50,496 - the location has already been stated. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Millenium Stadium is also a duplicate link. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Should link "relegation". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, curiously that's now a duplicate link (the article is Promotion and relegation) so if you don't like that, perhaps delink it... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General[edit]

Reading finished the regular 2000–01 season in third place in the First Division, - no they didn't. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(26 in the league, 1 in the FA Cup and 1 in the League Cup) - is this definition relevant? I think a note would be better. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction is relevant, so much so that football bios in Wikipedia only list league goals. I don't see any advantage to putting these as footnotes. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Millennium Stadium in Cardiff - worth mentioning in the body that Cardiff is in Wales. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Minor bugbear for me, the term "booked", is a little jargony for my liking. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well I've linked it to the glossary. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise all looks good for me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski thanks, all addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments[edit]

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski you may have forgotten about this? No rush. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is on my to-do list - don't worry. Apologies for the delay! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:43, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all. As I said, no rush. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the owner of Walsall F.C. described victory at the 2001 Football League Second Division play-off Final as the greatest day in the club's history?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Reynolds (Royal Navy officer)

5x expanded by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 15:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Hi The Rambling Man, review follows: article 5x expanded from 30 January; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't notice any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck on sources; hook is mentioned in article and checks out to the source cited; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me, I'm really enjoying reading this current series of articles on these finals - Dumelow (talk) 11:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]