Talk:2003 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship final

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Referee affiliation[edit]

I've removed references to Brian White, the referee, being affiliated to Waterford. I've found references to him being affiliated to Waterford and Wexford, and I'm not sure which is right. If someone is certain of his affiliation, then by all means include it again. ScoobyHugh (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 18:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • I'm no expert in Gaelic football, but per WP:DASH I would expect goals and wides to be separated by an en-dash, not a hyphen.
  • First sentence of lead is long and involved, and includes several concepts that a non-expert would struggle with, e.g. "county sides", "provincial level". Could use some work, perhaps move some of the more complex explanations to the main part of the article.
  • "a boundary - this was " en-dash, not hyphen. There are many examples of this.
  • "0-12 - 0-09 " agh, perhaps "0–12 v 0–9" (is there any need for the leading zero in the second scoreline? And maybe link the score to the correct section of Gaelic football as it's certainly not clear to a non-expert.
  • " by 2 counties from" 2->two per MOSNUM.
  • " since Cork in 1989/1990 " but previously " in 1986 and 1995 but" - is the winning year a range or just a single year?
  • "surprisingly lost to" bit POV here.
  • You have many refs, but you don't reference "the ties were played whilst Tyrone were competing in the latter stages of the Ulster Championship." for some reason.
  • 0-5 vs 0-06, again, I'm no expert but I'd expect to see consistency here. And an en-dash!
  • "namely Kerry" no need for namely.
  • Link Roads Service.
  • Isn't it Hogan Stand rather than Hogan stand?
  • " did come on as" -> "came on as"
  • "were spurned" bit POV, maybe just "were missed"
  • "0-09 – 0–12" in the graphic... so we really need consistency across the whole article regarding these awkward scorelines.
  • "References: [50][45]" remove space before refs and list them in numerical order.
  • "from the predominantly nationalist" is this referenced?
  • Newspapers are normally italicised".
  • "another example of nationalists trampling on unionists" if this is a quote, put it in quotes, otherwise it's not neutral in tone and needs work.
  • There's a [citation needed] tag which really needs to be resolved.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria[edit]

Failed "good article" nomination[edit]

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of July 22, 2013, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: ✗ Fail
2. Factually accurate?: ✓ Pass
3. Broad in coverage?: ✓ Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: ✗ Fail
5. Article stability?: ✓ Pass
6. Images?: ✓ Pass

Some work to do before this should be GA. Good luck with updating the article and addressing my comments.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 05:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Taking this. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking this one on! ScoobyHugh (talk) 10:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Reference check: OK - Only three so go figure.

Comments: Since most of the sources are offline, I'll have to take your word for a lot of this, and I believe that AGF is not really optional. Though I am quite amazed by the amount of work put into gathering all this information. The issues that I present are not going to be easy to fix, but with some copyediting it should come out just fine. The first issue is this image: Peter_Canavan_-_SFC_2005_cc_3.0.jpg It is not appropriately tagged and this is a problem. Also it appears that the image source is NOT 3.0 because it is disputed by a claim of "Copyright © 2014 Cumann Lúthchleas Gael Uladh" at the bottom of the page and the individual images are of unknown origin and they are being disputed by the website's blanket claim which puts it into doubt. Any doubt means this should be removed. The next issue is the prose, please do a complete copy edit. Here are some issues:

  • "This was the first ever All-Ireland Football Final.." - Remove "ever"
  • "by virtue of victories" Flowery.
  • " Armagh, meanwhile, lost to " - happened at the same time? Drop "meanwhile".
  • "which meant they had to enter the All-Ireland qualifiers" three words need to be removed.
  • "There were some restrictions on which sides could play each other in the quarter-finals because sides had previously met in the provincial championships" - wording.
  • " as Tyrone comfortably won by 1–21 (24 points) to 0–05." - remove comfortably.
  • "White had already refereed two All-Ireland finals – namely Kerry against Mayo in 1997 and the replay of Kerry against Galway in 2000." - Relevance?
  • " Some analysts did, however, comment on the genuine desire to win both teams displayed." -wording.
  • "... controversially sent off in the second half following an off-the-ball incident," - What incident? Explain.
  • "In his speech after lifting the trophy, Peter Canavan dedicated the victory to "...every Tyrone team I have played on, ...the 1986 team (beaten in the final by Kerry), and ...every player who played on teams without success." - Why is this quote needed and not paraphrased?
  • "Two years later, Peter Canavan's return from injury, coming on as a substitute in the last ten minutes, finished 14th in RTÉ's 2005 series of Top 20 GAA Moments.[57]" wording.

Please just run through and do a full copy edit, those were just a few of the issues that I noticed, but a few fixes and the image matter and this should be passable. I will place it on hold now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the image and done a copy edit. I haven't done much copy-editing before but I hope it's led to improvements in the article. ScoobyHugh (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Passed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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