Talk:2008–09 ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating

Qualifiers discussion[edit]

NITSANSH:

Say Johnny Weir finishes in first place at NHK Trophy next week. He will then have 28 points. Say Stephen Carriere finishes in second place. He will then have 26 points. They will then knock both Jeremy Abbott and Alban Preabert OUT of the Grand Prix Final. Get it? YOU CANNOT DETERMINE THAT SKATERS WHO HAVE ACCUMULATED 24 POINTS HAVE ALREADY MATHEMATICALLY QUALIFIED FOR THE FINAL BEFORE THE LAST EVENT HAS TAKEN PLACE!

Now stop insisting that you those with 24 points have qualified already and putting them in bold. You are wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.228.50 (talk) 20:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You obviousely not very good in math... Weir and Carriere need to place 1st or 2nd to overtake Preaubert and Abbott. Ponsero and Reynolds must place 1st and score at least 241.95 and 246.03 points respectively to overtake Abbott, and 0.99 more to overtake Preaubert. These scores are better than Joubert's personal best score which won the 2007 Worlds! But in any case, no more than 2 of these 4 skaters can overtake Preaubert or Abbott, so they can't be lower than 5th and 6th respectively. That means they have definitely qualified.--Nitsansh (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a hell of a lot better in math than you are in spelling or grammar, that's for sure. 64.223.228.50 (talk) 22:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In ladies, Kostner is qualified because there's no way more than 3 skaters competing at NHK will overtake her. In fact, no more than two can do that. Nakano or Asada need to place 2nd or better to do that, Lepisto or Wagner can overtake Kostner only with a win.

In pairs, the math is really simple... only 2 pairs competing in NHK can reach 24 pts, so the couple in 4th place is safe in the top 6.

In ice dance, Belbin/Agosto with 26 pts are not yet qualified, because 3 couples competing in COR and two in NHK can mathematically overtake them. But that is likely to change tommorow, if either Khokhlova/Novitski (currently in 2nd place) fail to win or Davis/White (currently 4th) don't advance to 3rd place. Even if both events do happen, the only way B&A will be eliminated from the final is if Pechalat/Bourzat and Faiella/Scali are 1st and 2nd respectively at NHK, and the latter get at least 193.36 pts (14 pts more than they got in Paris, but well within their PB).

Are you satisfied now???--Nitsansh (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the anon in principle. Pre-NHK assured qualification is 30 or 28 points because it is mathematically impossible to have more than 6 combinations of 30 and 28 points. It could be original research to say that anyone who scores below 28 points is mathematically in. However, considering that there is only one week left and we know who will be competing at NHK and who can possibly qualify out of there, we can make some educated guesses about who can and can't be knocked off numbers-wise. Anyway, this will all be moot in a week. Kolindigo (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is simple calculation. It isn't a guess. We know the facts: The standing after 5 events, the list of competitors in NHK, the points system, the tie break rules... all the ingredients are available, all that needs is simple calculation of addition and substraction... if a skater is standing in place X, and he can mathematically be overtaken by Y skaters, and X+Y yield 6 or less, then he is qualified. The number of skaters that can overtake a said skater is also easy to calculate: If several skaters need to place in the top 2, then no more than 2 can do that... well, at least since Salt-Lake pairs scandal there were no ties in figure skating that I know of... --Nitsansh (talk) 02:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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