Talk:2016 Scottish National Party depute leadership election

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Removed link to Scottish National Party leadership election, 2014, as this article is about the depute leadership. GoodDay (talk) 00:29, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 June 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved DrStrauss talk 06:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish National Party depute leadership election, 2016 → Scottish National Party deputy leadership election, 2016 – Whilst the official title of the deputy SNP leader appears to actually be "Depute Leader" for some reason, the common name used by most of the sources on this article is the "deputy leader", so the article title should use that form. In addition, WP:USE states that the Manual of Style supports using plain English. "Depute" is clearly not a plain English term, and its meaning is not explained on this page. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 22:31, 9 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —Guan aco 07:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment: I just noticed that it looks like the term "depute leader" is used only by primary sources (SNP website and twitter); all reliable secondary sources use "deputy leader" (for example the official parliament.uk site). As a result, there's a clear and strong case for removing the "depute" spelling from all the relevant Wikipedia articles. I'll do that if this move request is successful. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 00:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Some people have tried to justify retaining the likes of the Scots-derived 'depute' on the basis of WP:ENGVAR, but the reality is that this is exactly the type of case where WP:COMMONALITY is meant to apply. 'Deputy' is just as acceptable in Scottish English, to the degree that that exists as separate from British English, and is many times more common than 'depute' in Scottish-based reliable sources. More importantly, "deputy" is clearly the universal term, used right across the world, and per WP:COMMONALITY should be favoured. RGloucester — ☎ 06:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Depute is the correct term in Scottish English (see for example this), so qualifies under WP:ENGVAR. Also worth pointing out that news sources do use "depute"; SNP depute leader Angus Robertson LOSES his Moray seat to Tories in biggest blow yet to the Nats (Scottish Sun), SNP depute leader Angus Robertson loses Moray seat to the Tories (Aberdeen Press & Journal) – even English ones: SNP’s depute leader among casualties (Yorkshire Post). There are loads more here. Number 57 12:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Even if some Scottish news sources use "depute", others also use "deputy". Both terms are acceptable in Scottish English. As a result, as RGloucester pointed out, WP:ENGVAR supports using "deputy" per the stated policy. (Prefer vocabulary common to all varieties of English. Insisting on a single term or a single usage as the only correct option does not serve the purposes of an international encyclopedia.)
  Unless you have some evidence that "deputy" is actually an incorrect term in Scottish English? Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 02:26, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per WP:ENGVAR and WP:TITLEVAR. TITLEVAR states "If a topic has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation, the title of its article should use that nation's variety of English". "Depute" is the appropriate spelling in Scottish English and also the correct spelling of a proper name. AusLondonder (talk) 22:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Could you provide a source for your claim that "depute" is the appropriate spelling in Scottish English? Lots of Scottish news sources use "deputy", so it's not all clear that "depute" is the predominant spelling in Scotland. As for the proper name argument: the word "depute" in the title of this article is not a proper noun (it's lowercase), so the official title used by the SNP is not relevant. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 00:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The above opposition should be discounted, for it shows a clear lack of understanding of the ENGVAR policy. "Depute" is an 'acceptable' spelling in Scottish English, but it is not the 'only' acceptable spelling in Scottish English. In fact, 'deputy' on a general level is much more common than 'depute'. See, for example, the Scottish Government page on the 'Deputy' First Minister of Scotland. WP:COMMONALITY is very clear on this matter. Wikipedia is an international encylopaedia, and where commonality can be sought, it should be. If both "deputy" and "depute" are common in "Scottish English", which has been demonstrated, and which is true, by default, per WP:COMMONALITY, we should choose "deputy" in order to increase comprehension. For avoidance of doubt, I will provide a direct quote of WP:COMMONALITY: "Universally used terms are often preferable to less widely distributed terms, especially in article titles. For example, glasses is preferred to the national varieties spectacles (British English) and eyeglasses (American English); ten million is preferable to one crore (Indian English)". Please read the guidelines and policies before citing them as a basis for arguments that they do not support. RGloucester — ☎ 21:51, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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