Talk:50 goals in 50 games

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That last change doesn't make sense. The player doesn't have to play in 50 games. What is important to the rule book is that the player's goal is scored in the team's 50th game (or less). True Neely played in only 49 games that year...but they weren't the team's first 49 games. If Neely's 49th game was also the team's forty ninth game, then the record would count.

Right, I get it now. I misread the table at [1]. sjorford →•← 09:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

to MJR...

You did a great job at editing this site. But i do have one question for you. The grammar in this sentence (under the Brett Hull heading) is a little confusing:

• Hull was the first beat rookie goalie Dave Gagnon on January 21, 1991, in the Blues' 49th game

what exactly is meant?

It means I'm an idiot, that's what. It could also have meant that it was the first goal allowed by Gagnon, but as usual me edit self lots, bad grammar ensues. I meant to remove his involvement, but whatever.

They're not doing "a great job". Wikipedia has never done a great job. FACT. These "contributors" act like website administrators in private discussions, and act like moderators of pages they deem theirs which is asinine. It's a public resource. Not a fascist depository. I know of instances where groups of these leftists have gone as far as to conspire to remove content and remove users completely, just to control content as if they own history in some sycophantic manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.136.91.93 (talk) 04:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Alexander Mogilny?

Alexander Mogilny scored 50 in 50? I wasn't aware of that. Where do you get your sources from? If he in fact did score 50 in 50, then we should add his name down with Cam Neely. I am too tired right now to do any research, but tomorrow when i wake up, i will have a look and see what i can dig up. Masterhatch july 15 2005

I did a Google search and i was unable to find anything on Mogilny scoring 50 in 50. I don't have any books at my disposal to sift through, so I looked everywhere on the net. Either I am just missing it, or he didn't score 50 in 50. Yes, he scored 76 goals in 77 games that year, but I have found nothing on 50 in 50. Mr. 142.179.186.57, could you please cite your sources. Masterhatch 16 July 2005

This article makes the assertion that Mogilny was the last to score 50 in 50, but no details. This article also puts Mogilny in the 50 in 50 club, no details either. Qutezuce 20:51, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

That is so frustrating. Why couldn't they add details about his 50 in 50? If we can get more details, we can add it to this article. Masterhatch 03:40, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

A post to a forum includes Mogilny in the unofficial 50 in 50 club, and it also mentions an unofficial 50in50 for Lemieux in the 95-96 season. If we can get some confirmation and details of these then they both should be added. Qutezuce 02:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I've found one more page with evidence for Mogilny here. If that post is to be believed then there is a hockey card commemorating Mogilny's 50 in 50. Further I have come across some good proof of Lemieux's unofficial "50 in 50"s here. That page is a game summary for a game in the 95-96 season in which Mario got 50 in 50, and it also mentions that he did it in the 92-93 season. One troubling thing is that the page mentions Mario's 50 in 50 from 95-96 to be the 11th time it's been done. Given the 8 official ones, plus Cam Neely, plus Jari Kurri, plus two more unofficial ones for Mario = 12. How sure are we about Jari Kurri's 50 in 50? Cam Neely's seems to be pretty well documented, it was mentioned a lot in recent articles about Neely going into the Hall of Fame. This also seems to cast some doubt on Mogilny's 50 in 50 (which would make it 13 instead of 12). The more I dig the more information there is still left to find out. Qutezuce 01:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow, this gets more and more confusing all the time. Well, I think there is enough info to add Mario to the unofficial part. But Alex seems confusing because we still don't know how many team games it took him to get 50. Masterhatch 03:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

The funny thing in this dispute is that people are relying exclusively upon websites for information. I wish I'd bought into it earlier, because of course the printed NHL Media Guide has, for all of my lifetime, included detailed lists of every fifty goal scorer in history. According to the listing, Mogilny reached 50 goals in the 1993 season in his 49th game and the team's 53rd, on March 2nd against Hartford. Actually, I'll use this list to vette all the players cited.

You're all welcome. (grins) Ravenswing 08:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Jari Kurri too?

While looking around on the net for more information and the possibly rumoured Mogilny's 50 in 50, I ran across this:

The AGAL best: Brett Hull, 52 in 1990-91. Remember when "50 goals in 50 games" was incredibly rare? Gretzky did it three times, Hull twice, Lemieux once, plus of course Maurice Richard and Mike Bossy, the first two to ever do it. (Jari Kurri and Cam Neely each scored 50 within their first 50 games in a season, but not within their team's).

I found that here:

• http://en.ccmsports.com/community/articles/view_article.php?article_id=330&s=16

Does anyone out there have any more information about Jari Kurri's 50 in 50? Also, does anyone out there know which Bruin game was Neely's last game? Masterhatch 17 July 2005

• In Neely's 50/50 season his 50th goal came in his 44th, and his team's 66th game. The last game he played in that year was March 19, 1994 against the Devils where he hurt his healthy knee (He never played more then 7 games in a row that year because he was resting his left knee). The Devils game he got injured in was the team's 72nd of the season.--MJR 22:32, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Wow, MJR, you are truly amazing with your stat finding. Were you able to find anything more about Kurri's 50 in 50? Also, i can't seem to find how many games it took Gretzky to get his 50th goal the third time he did 50 in 50. Maybe you could conjure up some more magic. Masterhatch 1 August 2005

There, all fixed.

I've vetted all the information, including some near-misses (by Bobby Hull, Charlie Simmer, Bernie Nicholls and Lemieux again), and found an unofficial 50:50 by Mario. Any questions? Ravenswing 08:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

One question, how come you didn't add Mogilny? :) (Must be an oversight).

Thank you for finally clearing it all up! Please be sure to add the "NHL Media Guide" to the references section. Is the "NHL Media Guide" the same book as "The National Hockey League Official Guide & Record Book"? Qutezuce 09:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

That's the one. And gah, after all that, I left Mogilny out? Feh. Ravenswing 22:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Beckett Hockey Issue #50 and some changes

I have a copy of Beckett Hockey Monthly issue #50 with the five players that accomplished the true 50/50 on the cover. There is an in-depth article on all the players that accomplished the feat and the ones that were close. In the article, which was written by Tom Wheatley, it says that Jari Kurri(84-85), Alex Mogilny(92-93), Mario Lemieux(92-93 & 95-96), and Cam Neely(93-94) all scored 50 goals in 50 or less games, but NOT in the teams first 50 games. Changes: It also mentioned that Bobby Hull had 50 goals in 57 games in 65-66, not the 50 in 52 games that was on this site earlier. Mario Lemieux scored his 50th goal in his 48th game(teams 72nd) in 92-93 not his 44th that was on the site earlier. Also, he scored 19 goals in his final 12 games not 16 games in 92-93.

According to the NHL Guide & Record Book, Bobby Hull's 50th goal in 1965-66 came in his 52nd game, which was the Black Hawks' 57th game. Aottley 01:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Selanne

if im not mistaken he did it in 52 games... that should be a near miss

Nope, his best was in 63 games in 1992-93. Aottley 01:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

What if a player was traded...

If a player is traded before 50 games and then scores 50 goals, how would it be classified? Is it an official 50 in 50 only if its inside the new team's 50 games, the old one's, or something different altogether (like all the goals had to come with one of the teams)? Funny, because if the official standard was the new team's 50 games, it is quite possible that the player himself would have played for more than 50 games (if the new team had played less games at the time of the trade), in which case it would be "official" but not meet the "unofficial" standard...Ans3000 07:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Beats me. No doubt the NHL would figure out something, and if this ever happens, we'll deal with the issue at the time. Ravenswing 19:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yzerman

Deleted Yzerman's entry, as he did not score 50 goals in 24 games in 94-95, and did not even score 50 goals that year. He also did not set a record for scoring 111 goals in a season, because the record is held by Gretzky with 92. Nuff said.

Edit ** Hmm.... it was vandalism. I also fixed Hull and Bossy vandalism. Propose we ban 82.83.139.42 for repeated vandalism. CanucksRule

Anders Hedberg

this guy was added to the list along with Bobby hull. I searched the net and could not find any record of 50 in 50. this site [2] is pretty informative, but mentions nothing about 50 in 50. anyways, i will delete this entry unless someone can come up with a reliable source. But i got thinking, even if they did score 50 in 50, do they deserve mention on this article? I mean, if we mention them here, why not mention every 50 in 50 scorer from every league around the world? I am sure someone scored 50 in 50 in some professional european league at some point in time. What about junior leagues? i am sure it has happened there too. i think this article should be restricted to NHL entries largely because it seems only the NHL makes a big deal of this record. If someone wants to start a new article listing 50 in 50 scorers from other leages, then they should fill their boots and just make a simple link on this article in the "See also" section. Masterhatch 19:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hedberg scored 50 goals in 47 games in the 1977/78 (actually it was the 76/77 season http://www.whahof.com/index.html) season for the WHA's Winnipeg Jets. [3]. But then again this is the WHA. I agree with your thoughts about keeping this an NHL-only article. Yankees76 23:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be all professional leagues but the European leagues only started playing 50 or more games in the late 90's. And the KHL didn't start until 2008. I haven't looked at the AHL or the like but if someone is on pace to score 50 goals in 50 games in the minors I'm sure he's going to be called up before he were to reach 50 goals in 50 games.

Neely photo?

Overall, a great article. Thanks for the research, not only of the 'official' 50 in 50, but of the non-official and the near misses. One suggestion however... is there any chance of using a photo of Neely in a hockey uniform rather than the cheesy 'studio-shot' that is there now? I'm sure he used that for his Denis Leary related acting jobs. I'd prefer to remember him in his intimidating Bruins uni. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.30.152.190 (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

mathews

Matthew's didn't score 50 in his first 50 nor his team's first 50

His accomplishment doesn't even belong on this page at all. However that didn't stop someone from adding his 50 in 50 to the "official" section. His accomplishment is unofficial at best. 2604:3D08:397F:7D00:1C05:D564:C653:1AEA (talk) 16:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

The NHL counts from the beginning of the season. Matthews doesn't meet the criteria! [4] Please stop adding him. Masterhatch (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

We can thank TSN & other sports sites for their misguided reporting on this story. Anyways, indeed Matthews does not belong. GoodDay (talk) 17:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

More pmayers to add

I don't understandt why Matthews is added to unofficial list? Official 50 in 50 is in teams first 50 games, everyone knows that. Unofficial 50 in 50 is in players first 50 games. Matthees did it in 67 games. Yes, NHL tweeted about it, but Tweet said that "in any stretch during season". If Matthews stays on the list, they should be added too:

Wayne Gretzky 66 Brett Hull 59 Mario Lemieux 59 Alexander Mogilny 59 Phil Esposito 53 Mike Bossy 51 Jari Kurri 51 Bernie Nicholls 51 Maurice Richard 50 Charlie Simmer 50

Matthews should not be on the list and neither should the ones above be added. Ssuvik (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Masterhatch (talk) 17:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Matthews doesn't belong. We can thank TSN & other sports sites for their misguided reporting, on this story. GoodDay (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Accurate list

If Matthews stays on the list, they need to be added too. They also scored 50 in any 50 game stretch

fullName goals assists points games start_date end_date Joe Malone 82 16 98 50 12/19/1917 3/6/1920 Newsy Lalonde 77 23 100 50 12/22/1917 3/3/1920 Babe Dye 75 19 94 50 1/17/1921 1/13/1923 Cy Denneny 69 18 87 50 2/28/1920 3/4/1922 Wayne Gretzky 66 78 144 50 10/31/1981 2/19/1982 Mario Lemieux 62 64 126 50 3/20/1993 11/18/1995 Frank Nighbor 59 34 93 50 2/25/1918 1/8/1921 Brett Hull 59 34 93 50 11/13/1990 3/9/1991 Alexander Mogilny 59 26 85 50 11/22/1992 3/20/1993 Maurice Richard 57 31 88 50 2/26/1944 2/17/1945 Cam Neely 56 24 80 50 3/27/1993 3/7/1994 Punch Broadbent 53 21 74 50 2/18/1919 2/15/1922 Phil Esposito 53 47 100 50 12/13/1970 4/4/1971 Howie Morenz 52 14 66 50 11/26/1929 12/11/1930 Teemu Selanne 52 36 88 50 12/29/1992 10/6/1993 Mike Bossy 51 34 85 50 10/12/1980 1/26/1981 Corb Denneny 51 20 71 50 2/18/1919 12/28/1921 Reg Noble 51 20 71 50 12/19/1917 2/4/1920 Jari Kurri 51 52 103 50 10/11/1984 2/3/1985 Bernie Nicholls 51 55 106 50 10/9/1988 1/31/1989 Bobby Hull 50 26 76 50 12/21/1966 10/28/1967 Charlie Simmer 50 38 88 50 10/14/1980 1/26/1981

Remove Matthews. He didn't do even the unofficial. Ssuvik (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

'Tis alright. Matthews won't be listed in the article. PS - We can thank TSN & other sports sites for the mix up. GoodDay (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

Charlie simmer should be moved from near miss to unofficial 50 in 50. He scored #50 in game 51 but didn't score in game 1, thus, he had 50 between game 2 and game 51 which is 50 games.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/simmech01/gamelog/1981 2607:FEA8:A99A:2500:BC24:EBE:52D9:2FA3 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Nope. Ya gotta get your 50th in your team's 50th game. GoodDay (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Unofficial 50 in 50 & Near misses sections, should be deleted

If you didn't get your 50 goals in your team's first 50 games? Then you don't belong in this article, period. GoodDay (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I support deleting the near misses section. I think the unofficial section should stay as long as it's clear that it's about the player getting 50 in his first 50 games. Masterhatch (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, it's borderline original research anyways (though I feel someone is likely to write an article in the next few days citing this list, if they haven't already, creating a case of citogenesis). Kaiser matias (talk) 22:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2022

In the Mid-season 50 in 50 scorers section: Change "Jari Kurri scored 50 goals in 50 games, between games 30 to 78 of the 1985-86 season and finished with 68 goals." to "Jari Kurri scored 50 goals in 50 games, between games 21 to 70 of the 1985-86 season and finished with 68 goals." since the game 30 to 78 stretch only contained 45 goals, not 50

In the full list section: Change "1895-86 - 50 in 50 Jari Kurri (50 in 49)" to "1895-86 - 50 in 50 Jari Kurri" since the game 21 to 70 stretch was 50 goals in 50 games, not 50 in 49 8ars123 (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2022 (2)

Under the mid-season 50 in 50 scorers: Change "Auston Matthews scored 51 goals in 50 games, between games 19 to 67 of the 2021-22 season and currently has 58 goals." to "Auston Matthews scored 51 goals in 50 games, between games 18 to 67 of the 2021-22 season and currently has 58 goals." 8ars123 (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Mathews 51 in 50

It should be changed that 50 in 50 in mid season IS recognized by the NHL. They even tweeted it from their PR department that it is recognized. It doesn’t matter if it is from the start or the middle or at the end. 50 in 50 games is 50 in 50 games.

url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FPR_NHL%2Fstatus%2F1512938810451144710%3AJ6lt_tdSsjNUuGGbrbvyU9jcy40&cuid=770598 173.247.139.34 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

50 in 50 is special for 1 reason and 1 reason only: the Rocket scored 50 in 50 when there were only 50 games in the NHL. The number of goals scored in the first 50 games became the benchmark, hence the actual official record is Gretzky's 61 goals in his first 50 games, not his 50 goals in 39. The 50 in 39 is based on the fastest to 50. In other words, because the season used to be only 50 games, that is used as the benchmark. Otherwise 50 in 50 is purely an arbitrary number. Matthews does not qualify because it doesnt rank in the fastest to 50 nor most in the first 50. The list is not arbitrary and Matthews doesnt qualify. Leaving him in the mid-season list is a fair compromise. Masterhatch (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

From NHL.com: "MOST GOALS, 50 GAMES FROM START OF SEASON: 61 – 1981-82 (Oct. 7, 1981 to Jan. 22, 1982, 80-game schedule); 1983-84 (Oct. 5, 1983 to Jan. 25,1984, 80-game schedule Next (third): 54 – Mario Lemieux, 1988-89 (Oct. 7, 1988 – Jan. 31, 1989, 80-game schedule)". As you can see, from the start of the season is everything. Masterhatch (talk) 14:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Matthew’s scored 50 and 51 in the 50th game

50 in 49 on the full list is not correct. Matthew’s was 49 in his last 49 prior to the two goals against Montreal. 65.48.237.226 (talk) 02:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

You got a reliable source for that? MadGuy7023 (talk) 09:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=game&dateFrom=2021-11-24&dateTo=2022-04-08&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=goals&page=0&pageSize=50

This is from NHL.com from the same start time of November 24th to April 8th. He scored 50 and 51 on the 9th in his 50th tracked game not 49th — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.48.237.226 (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

According to official statistics from NHL.com, Auston Matthews did in fact score 51 Goals within 50 Games, which meets the guidelines set out by NHL and the Wikipedia entry of '50 goals within the first 50 (or fewer) games of his team's season' from November 24, 2021 to April 9 2022.

This can be verified here via records ( https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=game&dateFrom=2021-11-24&dateTo=2022-04-09&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=goals&page=0&pageSize=50 ) and can be viewed via video replay here ( https://stories.sportsnet.ca/games/Montreal-Canadiens-at-Toronto-Maple-Leafs-09-04-22-14084.html) 66.49.155.249 (talk) 06:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

How many different ways did Gretzky get 50 in 50 in 1981-82? 30? 40? You can use that date range scale to come up with all sorts of different 50 in 50s. Are we to list them all? No. Masterhatch (talk) 14:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

That date range represents the first game of the season to the point to which the player achieved their first 50 goals within 50 games. Those dates are in accordance with perfect attendance and consistency of said player alongside a team's playing schedule in that they showed up for every single game from the start of the season.

'50 in 50' is defined as 50 goals within the first 50 games (or fewer) of a player when they are contracted to a single team's season within a season from the start of the season.

Don't retract something you don't understand. 66.49.155.249 (talk) 17:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Here is a published article referencing the achievement as well as commentators acknowledging this feat.

Revert my entry back to how it was originally or I will have you reported.

You are wrong.

( https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/auston-matthews-records-50th-and-51st-goal-in-a-50-game-span )

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NtyQH2d_E ) 66.49.155.249 (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, Wayne Gretzky was not in discussion. It was Auston Matthews.

Please remove yourself from topics (specifically NHL) of which we have proven you know nothing about, nor have the decency of researching properly. You are creating a disrespectful environment. 66.49.155.249 (talk) 18:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I brought this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey. Masterhatch (talk) 22:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Does Matthews meet the inclusion criteria, for this page? Did he score 50 goals, in his team's first 50 games? GoodDay (talk) 22:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Short answer? No. Masterhatch (talk) 22:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

He did it mid-season, which is trival as it wasn't from his first game nor his team's first game. If we include every time a player was able to do 50 in 50 from any game, it would be a ridiculous list. Hence my comment earlier about how many different 50 in 50s Gretzky had in 1981-82. Just because something makes the news doesnt mean its noteworthy enough to be anything more than trivial. Masterhatch (talk) 22:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Matthews should be excluded. GoodDay (talk) 22:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I made sure to include Matthews within the appropriate category of "50 in player's (not team's) first 50" due to injury and suspension and still completing the feat as stated within the category.

The argument that the feat is trivial is obscene as he qualifies for the list of "50 in player's (not team's) first 50" the same as Kurri, Mogilny, Lemieux, and Neely since the heading exists.

If the heading exists then he qualifies as most do not. 66.49.155.249 (talk) 00:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

You're ignoring the second part of that section's criteria that would disqualify him, specifically the first 50 games part of the "50 in player's (not team's) first 50". Matthews scored 50 goals in a 50 game span. He did not score 50 goals in his first 50 games.

Expanding this article to include all players that scored 50 goals in any 50 game span is a discussion that certainly can take place. But speaking in terms of the existing sections (and their criteria), Matthews doesn't "qualify" for any of them. Leventio (talk) 19:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)