Talk:AFC Championship Game

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Clutter in the Most common matchups section[edit]

Why, exactly, do we need to specify the Tennessee Oilers, Los Angeles Raiders, and Baltimore Colts in the Most common matchups section if those particular versions of those teams never played in a certain year? The Baltimore Colts never faced the Patriots, the Los Angeles Raiders never faced the Steelers, and the Tennessee Oilers certainly never faced anyone in the AFC Championship Game. I'm certainly for including the current version of the teams (Las Vegas Raiders/Tennessee Titans) but otherwise it's just a bunch of unnecessary clutter. We may as well start inserting the Dallas Texans or Boston Patriots if that's the case. PointGiven (talk) 00:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PointGiven: I always thought about that myself. I guess there is some kind of consensus at WT:NFL of which I am not aware of. Therefore, I just restored the accepted version. However, I do agree with you that incarnations should not be listed unless they appear in the AFC Championship Game. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Records by division[edit]

Consider adding a section "Records by division", just like the "AFC Championship Game" article. Alielmi1207 (talk) 03:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alielmi1207 I added the table in "Records by division" section just like the one in the "NFC Championship Game" article. I think it looks good for the most part but let me know if there are any inaccuracies in the table or in the footnotes. Other than that I think it's up to date. Ccai2053 (talk) 05:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2023[edit]

2002-present 2620:8D:8000:10C5:70CF:FA59:ED05:5283 (talk) 03:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arrowhead Stadium Name[edit]

Would it be possible to change the text from "Arrowhead Stadium" to "GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium"? It is the official name of the stadium, and "(GEHA Field at) Arrowhead Stadium" would work as well. 136.33.182.23 (talk) 05:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, "Arrowhead Stadium" is just fine since the article title on Wikipedia is called Arrowhead Stadium and it was still called "Arrowhead Stadium" when the Chiefs hosted the 2018, 2019, and 2020 AFC Championship games prior to the 2021 game. Also we go by common names when it comes to most Wikipedia article titles. See WP:COMMONNAME, WP:OFFICIALNAME, and Talk:Arrowhead Stadium#Requested move 5 March 2021 for further information. Ccai2053 (talk) 06:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:ACC Championship Game which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(withdrawn). Dicklyon (talk) 18:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 April 2024[edit]

– Use sentence case since this is not a proper name – not nearly consistently capped in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 17:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some data: When these articles were created in 2005, they were full of over-capitalization (title, section headings, table headers), as was not unusual at that time (perhaps before we had a MOS:CAPS?). Some of that got fixed, but not the titles. The fully lowercase form was most common in books through 2004, but since then, many more sources have adopted the capitalized forms, probably influenced by Wikipedia, but they're still not close to "consistently capitalized" in sources. See n-gram stats for NFC and for AFC. Dicklyon (talk) 17:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just the usual reminder that ngrams for article titles which use common words that aren't typically capitalized lack meaningful context and include far too much noise to be useful in evaluating whether capitalization is proper or not. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're suggesting that in some contexts "the NFC championship game" refers to something other than the topic of these articles, maybe you can give an example of where that's the case, or a hypothetical example of where it might be the case. Otherwise, I'm not likely to get your point here. Dicklyon (talk) 23:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: You've got me wondering if you don't understand how these book n-gram statistics work. They're not about words without context, but rather about case-sensitive n-word sequences. That's why I asked for statistics on "the AFC Championship Game" and such. If you take out the "the" you get a lot less contextual constraint, and you find a whold bunch of occurrences, especially in early years, that are not in sentences but in table, e.g. in gov reports like this one. So, yes, more context helps, and the n-gram provides a way, not a perfect way, to include more context. You might still find cases with "the AFC Championship Game" in a title or heading, i.e. a title-case context, which is not what we're looking for, so it still tends to over-count capitalized versions, due to imperfect context. But there's no corresponding effect over-counting the lowercase ones, as far as I'm aware. That's why I asked for more on what you're thinking when you assert these stats "lack meaningful context and include far too much noise to be useful". They're very useful, but yes their limitations need to be acknowledged and considered. In this case, those limitations make the case for lowercase stronger, not weaker. Dicklyon (talk) 17:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dicklyon, the n-grams in your first comment make the case for uppercasing. These have become proper names, and wrestling them down to lowercase in an encyclopedia achieves little. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, consistent enough to reach common name status. See this NFC Championship Game n-gram for example. The uppercase listings far outmatch the lowercase, and taking WP:COMMONSENSE into account there is no need to change these long-term stable titles. This consistency standard has caused extreme arguments and discussions, with some editors insisting on total compliance. Uppercased names show the development of a sport's terminology, and American football and its fandom have gone with the uppercase. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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