Talk:Abdelhakim Belhaj

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This person died during the combats in Tripoli. Source: Twitter of loyalist soldier in Tripoli.

http://twitter.com/#!/LibyanLiberal/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2Fl9CDgFH

--85.179.65.115 (talk) 19:32, 26 August 2011 (UTC)Javier Hermosa[reply]

Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi?[edit]

Is this the same person as Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi? (source: Libyan “Rebel Commander” Gives Interview Describing His Connections With Al-Qaeda) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google image search says these are the same person, so does Webster Griffin Tarpley ([1]) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no evidence that it is the same person. 1) When you look at the pictures, the similarities aren't very obvious, 2)the name is quite different 3) the biography doesn't match.--Kimdime (talk) 09:15, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is not only that the men look similar, the press is using the same Agence France-Presse photo for both of them. Compare The Telegraph to DEBKAfile. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:36, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. – Here is a WP:RS that claims Hakim al-Hasidi is Abdel Hakim Belhadj: The "Liberation" of Libya: NATO Special Forces and Al Qaeda Join Hands -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have to admit that I am a very bad spotter, I don't recognize well faces, though I asked other people which agreed that the resemblance isn't obvious between this face http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/310883 and this one http://publicintelligence.net/libyan-rebel-commander-gives-interview-describing-his-connections-with-al-qaeda/ . So I ask you, are you sure they are the same faces ? Plus, I am not convinced of the reliability of the source http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26255
PS: I found a comprehensive article from the foreign policy journal [2] which should be used as a source of this article, it doesn't mention the name al-Hasidi--Kimdime (talk) 08:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look in September at all the available photos of Belhadj and al-Hasidi. They are definitely not the same man. al-Hasidi is cross-eyed and looks far more European. Belhadj is more Asian looking, and could – based on his looks – be the brother or half-brother of Abu Yahya al-Libi. There are however still some influential people who believe they are the same man. I will point them to this discussion. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Here is a collection of sources Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi. He first seems to enter the stage in The New York Times on March 7, 2011 – and is claimed by the Libyan government to have formed an "Islamic Emirate of Darnah". -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews[edit]

  • Anthony Shadid (March 7, 2011). "Diverse Character in City Qaddafi Calls Islamist". The New York Times.
  • Roberto Bongiorn (March 22, 2011). "«Noi ribelli, islamici e tolleranti»". Il Sole 24 Ore (in Italian). (translation)
  • Praveen Swami (25 Mar 2011). "Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links". The Telegraph.
  • Sara Daniel (14 April 2011). "Libye «Si l'Occident ne nous aide pas à éliminer Kadhafi...»". sara-daniel.com (in French).
  • Rod Nordland (April 24, 2011). "Libyan, Once a Detainee, Is Now a U.S. Ally of Sorts". The New York Times.

Abdelkarim al-Hasadi[edit]

Assadaq = al-Hasadi[edit]

It seems to me that Assadaq and al-Hasadi may be different transliterations of the same name. Here The Independent is calling him Abdul-Hakeem Elhsadi.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New York Times[edit]

The New York Times publishes the following correction:

Correction: August 31, 2011

An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that commander of the newly formed Tripoli Military Council, AbdelHakim Belhaj, was also known as Abdel Hakim al-Hasadi. They are in fact two different people.

Source:

I still think NYT may be wrong. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC) – updated 22:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO we shouldn't add any information about al-Hasadi given this correction of NYT, a highly reliable source.--Kimdime (talk) 17:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)--[reply]

Videos[edit]

Here are some YouTube videos with inteviews:

Facebook fan page: البطل عبد الحكيم بالحاج | قائد قوات الثوار بطرابلس

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brother of Abu Yahya al-Libi?[edit]

Internet sources in Arabic are claiming that Abdelhakim Belhadj is the brother of al-Qaeda number 2 man Abu Yahya al-Libi. Here is one source. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that Abu Yahya al-Libi was in fact the brother of Abdelwahab Kaid (عبدالوهاب حسن قايد), who is said to be a close friend of Belhadj. [3]. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 12:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LIFG at list of terrorist organizations[edit]

LIFG is on the list of terrorsit organizations [4]. Plaese insert that in article or we can assume that you are rewriting history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.139.60.5 (talk) 12:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Outright lies in russian mass media[edit]

One or Russian mass media, known as Argumenty.ru, uses outright lies & speculations, calling Belhaj a member of Al Qaida & posting his picture (was taken from Al Jazeera report about Belhaj) & subscribing it as 'Mustafa Abdel Jalil'. Alhouugh, there was Belhaj in that picture. If taking of photoes from any other sourses is a violation, pay attention on this info. For those to whom this info is interesting, a sourse of a desinformation is here: http://news.argumenti.ru/politics/2011/09/123633?type=all#fulltext

What's your point? It is not only the "Russian mass media", but the United Nations Security Council who are saying this. Abdelhakim Belhadj is the leader or "Emir" of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. Some sources say he is the founder of the organization. The UN Security Council Al-Qaida and Taliban Sanctions Committee lists the LIFG as "part of" or "associated" with al-Qaeda. The decision was last reviewed in 2010. I have read that the LIFG has "given up violence" against the Libyan Jamahiriya and "changed its name". As far as I know the Sanctions Committee has not revised its decision. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:13, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He was in prison from 2004 till 2010, meaning he behind bars when LIFG merged with AQIM. Also LIFG was officialy disbanded in March and now it is known as Libyan Islamic Movement. He also condemned merge from prison. Please, learn something about AQIM, it is no uniteral organization, their ideological goals are smaller than political. Belhadj and his wing of LIFG was on very bad terms with Algerian islamists as most of Libyans. --EllsworthSK (talk) 21:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

missing source[edit]

"Returned to Libya, he was held and tortured in Abu Salim prison for seven years." There is no reference, no evidence, especially we should not say "tortured" if there is no source confirming it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aguacristalina (talk • contribs) 13:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Living in London?[edit]

A chapter of of the 2nd edition of Mark Curtis' book Secret Affairs is available on-line:

  • Curtis, Mark (2012,). "Britain, Qadafi and the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group". Secret Affairs: Britain's Collusion with Radical Islam (2nd Revised ed.). Serpent’s Tail,. ISBN 1 846 68763 2. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |year= (help); External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

It containing among others the following sentence:

US intelligence sources later told the Mail on Sunday newspaper that MI6 had indeed been behind the assassination plot and had turned to the LIFG’s leader, Abu Abdullah Sadiq, who was living in London.

I would really like to have access to the Mail on Sunday article. Anyway, I am placing the quote here for future reference. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Past and current: 2017[edit]

During the Arab Spring it was said that Belhaj flew to Syria and was killed there (In Hebrew news) but now I read he's alive and well. Here's a contemporary article (The Middle East Eye). He's involved in Jack Straw's court case according to the Guardian.

During the revolution against Ghaddafy he was shown beating prisoners to death, following an attack on a hospital (clearly shown to be filled with murdered Black soldiers from Ghaddafy's guards, but Nic Robertson on CNN said: (Bodies abandoned in Tripoli hospital) "Its not clear how these people died or who they are... These are mysteries that will go to the grave with them." Robertson avoids explaining why a boy with a bullet in his chest was shot just outside the Ghaddafy compound, or why the father is pleading for his life along with his son's. Alex Thomson narrates a video with Belhaj "Grim face of war in Libya. He says: "Prisoners emerging from this chaotic fighting" (the video shows the rebels are beating a terrified black prisoner who's head is full of blood and they are holding up his money. The images move to a nearby location showing an execution where the to-be-killed are first forced to praise the revolution. Thomson says: "and some reports, that some such prisoners were killed". As he says this, the first prisoner with the money, has his helmet fixed to the front of his face, and he is beaten, presumably to death. Thomson continues: "...before they had a chance to be dealt with properly." His voice then gets excited as he says: "We spoke exclusively to the rebel commander who's lead much of the fighting in Tripoly..." and the interview with Belhaj outside the hospital begins.

Here's another similar false account by AFP with some of the same people and a few different wordings (leaving out the "believed to be Ghaddafy supporters).

The New Republic had published an article about the "moderates" in Syria actually being Al Qaeda. According to Wikileaks, Hilary Clinton assisted Belhaj who organized a giant arms transport through Turky for Al Qaeda forces in Syria from Bengazi just before the 9-11 2012 Bengazi killings. פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 22:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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