Talk:Abdul Rahman Noorani

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explanation[edit]

I reverted this excision. No doubt well-intentioned -- but hasty -- contributor's edit summary said: "Guantanamo medical records: remove - not relevant, poorly sourced, possible harmful WP:NPF, WP:GRAPEVINE"

That edit summary is all the explanation that has been offered so far? Geo Swan (talk) 07:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • My edit was not hasty at all i had a very close look at the article and sources and policies. The wording of my edit summary might not be the best but it was sufficient for people who are familiar with the cited policies WP:NPF, WP:GRAPEVINE. And i thought you were. I apologies when you think there were words in the edit summary that offended you. That was never my intention. Iqinn (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance?[edit]

  1. The camp has been the subject of an on-going series of hunger strikes;
  2. There are conflicting reports on what the captives' diet has been like, with some accounts saying ordinary captives have wasted away, due to bad diet, while the authorities say that captives have all gained weight;

These records show:

  1. that most captives did gain weight, and most captives were overweight, or at the high end of the normal range, for most of their stay;
  2. that many captives weigh-in records include periods of wild fluctuation;
  3. that some captives remained underweight for the duration of their stay;

It would be "orginal research" to insert into article space speculation over the cause of the wild fluctuations in weight.

These records also show when the captives arrived at the camp. Geo Swan (talk) 07:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are no speculations about the wild fluctuations in weight of Abdul Rahman Noorani in the article. There is no secondary source at all in the article that discusses his personal health to a level where it could become relevant. See more below i changed it to "not relevant for his notability" Iqinn (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly sourced?[edit]

This claim puzzles me. The DoD published height and weight records. Is the challenger waiting for the camp authorities to allow the Red Cross to weigh the captives, and publish their weights? Geo Swan (talk) 07:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • JTF-GTMO (2007-03-16). "Measurements of Heights and Weights of Individuals Detained by the Department of Defense at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba". Department of Defense. Archived from the original on 2008-12-22. Retrieved 2008-12-22.

It does not matter who is the creator of the medical reports. See below i have change it to "insufficient sourced"

Possibly harmful?[edit]

Again, this assertion puzzles me. Geo Swan (talk) 07:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I changed it to "private information that could be possible harmful" in my second removal. I thought i was easy to understand. The publishing of medical information can be harmful to an individual. (see below) Iqinn (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Medical records[edit]

Additional explanation to my edit summary and the related policies.

"not relevant for his notability" The release of medical records of Guantanamo detainees might be interesting in the broader topic of Guantanamo, as for example some of the detainees claim they have suffered health damages. But this is the biography of Abdul Rahman Noorani and there are no secondary sources in the article that discuss his personal health to a level where it could become relevant. The inclusion of this material is not relevant to Abdul Rahman Noorani's notability and can not be included under WP:NPF.

"insufficient sourced" from WP:NPF

"Biographies of people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability. Material from third-party primary sources should not be used unless it has first been published by a reliable secondary source."

The section is based on a primary source and therefore it can not be included.

"private information that could be possible harmful" Medical information are very personal information. All countries around the world i know have laws that restrict the publishing of medical records. Publishing of medical information is restricted unless the individual agrees to it. Why? I can easily imagine a lot of situations where this could be harmful to an individual. An insurance company could reject to sell him a policy or potential employer could reject to give him a job...

Only one of these three reasons would justify an removal. This is not even a border-line case here. The material needs to be removed as soon as possible in accordance with our policies. Iqinn (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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