Talk:Absolutely Sweet Marie

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Old Crow Medicine Show cover

Old Crow Medicine Show covered this song on their latest album, 50 Years of Blonde on Blonde. I have tried to add this information to the "covers" portion of this article but, despite several modifications, the edit has been reverted by another editor. I am at a loss to understand why OCMS's cover does not merit mention alongside those of Ola Magnelland Wolfgang Niedecken....PurpleChez (talk) 15:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Same band lineup as Just Like a Woman and Pledging My Time

These three songs recorded during the Nashville sessions ostensibly had more-or-less the same musicians. Both guitarist Robbie Robertson and organist Al Kooper also played during the New York sessions, while guitarists Charlie McCoy, Wayne Moss and Joe South, bassist Henry Strzelecki, drummer Kenny Buttrey and pianist Hargus "Pig" Robbins, were exclusive to the Nashville sessions (and were regular members of The Nashville A-Team at the time) and, as far as I'm concerned, all three of these songs had the same band lineup, with the only apparent difference being that Robertson didn't play on Just Like a Woman. I'll see if the sources in the Just Like a Woman and Pledging My Time articles for this band lineup is the same in both articles, and if so, maybe the band lineup can be included in this article too, using that same source from those other two articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:153:900:43F0:B862:E932:7AD2:8C14 (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

It looks like the two articles use different sources, so that leaves only a Google search or something like that to find reliable sources.--2601:153:900:43F0:B862:E932:7AD2:8C14 (talk) 13:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:17, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the title of Bob Dylan's song "Absolutely Sweet Marie" was wrongly spelled on several international releases of Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits 2? Source: Searching for a Gem"
  • ALT1: ... that Bob Dylan first performed his song "Absolutely Sweet Marie" live during the first show of his Never Ending Tour, 22 years after he released it? Source: Heylin, Clinton (2010). Revolution in the Air - the Songs of Bob Dylan Vol.1 1957-73. p.370; p;Margotin, Philippe; Guedson, Jean-Michel (2022). Bob Dylan All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track p.237
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/International Building (Rockefeller Center)
  • Comment: Suggestions for alt hooks welcome.

5x expanded by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Self-nominated at 16:41, 9 September 2022 (UTC).

• Drive-by comment (not a review): For a hook on Dylan, we should be using American English. In American English, "spelt" can only be a type of grain. The past tense of "spell" is spelled "spelled". —David Eppstein (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Amended, thanks. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Interesting song and history (and about what remains open ...), on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I think the original hook is sort of trivial, but the second highly unusual. I wonder if the 22 years should come sooner, because impatient readers might turn away before getting there. I like the "matured well" quote. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:36, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will get on with this now! --K. Peake 08:36, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Change Columbia Studio B to Columbia B in the infobox per the rules on the studio parameter
• "of the double album Blonde on Blonde, Dylan's seventh studio album, on June 20, 1966." → "of the double album and Dylan's seventh studio album, Blonde on Blonde (1966)." or something similar since the exact release date of the album is not notable
• Move the recording sentence to being the one after writing/production; follow it with the interpretation one
• Move the later inclusion to being after the total number of performances in the second para, followed finally by the cover version
• ""Absolutely Sweet Marie" was recorded at" → "It was recorded at"
• "Rolling Stone placed the track" → "Rolling Stone placed it" with the wikilink

• All done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Background and recording

• You need to add Robbie Robertson's guitar playing to prose to warrant keeping the image

• Used the Kooper image here instead, with some commentary. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Merge the first and second paras per the overly short size

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Where is the November 30 session sourced?

• Added Bjorner for 1965. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Add a comma after Al Kooper
• "session musicians including" → "session musicians, including"
• "Wayne Moss and Kenneth Buttrey," → "Wayne Moss, and Kenneth Buttrey," with the pipe
• "initially on February 14." → "initially on February 14, 1966."
• "during the tenth album session," → "during the 10th album session," per MOS:NUM
• "which was released on June 20, 1966." → "on June 20, 1966." because included was already used
• Move the last para of this section to being in comp instead since that is what it focuses on
• "makes the track work."" → "makes the track work"." per MOS:QUOTE

• Amended per the eight points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Composition and lyrical interpretation

• Add the last para from the previous section at the start here; the instrumentation also should be mentioned in this section
• "that line does not appear" → "the line does not appear"
• "Journalist Paul Williams considered that" → "Journalist Paul Williams considers that"
• [8] should solely be invoked at the end of the sentence
• "and named "Absolutely Sweet Marie"" → "and names "Absolutely Sweet Marie""
• "fear of being misunderstood)."" → ""fear of being misunderstood)"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "from first to last."" → "from first to last"." per above
• Shouldn't you use the title rather than "Dylan's song"?
• "half sick/traffic" why is there a single quote mark to end this part but not one to start it?
• "out of key chord."" → "out of key chord"."

• Amended the article per the above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Critical reception

• You should use a consistent past or present tense for the reviews here
• "highly distinctive rhythm."" → "highly distinctive rhythm"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "still felicitously possible."" → "still felicitously possible"." per above
• "The reviewer for" → "A reviewer for"
• "sparkling blues-rock guitar."" → "sparkling blues-rock guitar"."
• "Dylan said of the song" → "Dylan said of the song:"

• Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Live performances and other releases

• Looks good!

Personnel

• Remove the img per MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, especially when you have already used an image of another performer from this section
• Pipe Kenneth Buttrey to Kenny Buttrey

• Done. I've changed the source, and the credits per that source. Sanders (2020) seems to be the best available. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio score looks decent at 39.8%
• Pipe Vanity Fair to Vanity Fair (magazine) on ref 7
• Add the work/website to ref 9
• Pipe Harper's to Harper's Magazine on ref 21
• Remove Downbeat from ref 22 and pipe Sun-Herald to The Sydney Morning Herald
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 26
• Wikilink Bowling Green State University Popular Press
• Pipe Carlton to Welbeck Publishing Group
• Wikilink Continuum International Publishing Group
• Wikilink Princeton University Press
• Wikilink Constable & Robinson
• Pipe Black Dog & Leventhal to Black Dog & Leventhal Publishers
• Pipe Bloomsbury Academic to Bloomsbury Publishing
• Wikilink New English Library
• Wikilink University of Illinois Press
• Wikilink Billboard Books per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Pop Matters → PopMatters with the wikilink
• Wikilink Omnibus Press

• All done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

External links

• Looks good!

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed, after a quick review! --K. Peake 09:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Many thanks, K. Peake. Let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• BennyOnTheLoose You have not added the instrumentation from personnel to prose like I was intending you to do with the suggestion. --K. Peake 21:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Apologies, K. Peake. I've now added that in. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, this is laid out well after all! --K. Peake 11:37, 29 November 2022 (UTC)