Talk:Afrika Bambaataa/Archives/2013
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What about his collaborations with other artists (eg. Leftfield)? 206.188.90.109 06:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Zulu?
I suggest that the attribution of Afrika Bambaataa's name is mangled - the name does not appear in the film Zulu. It is more likely to be inspired by Bambatha (pronounced bam-BAHT-hah), leader of the Zondi clan of the Zulu people, who led the 1906 revolt against British rule known as the Bambatha Rebellion. Bambatha does not mean "affectionate leader" in Zulu - it means "pat": describes anything from a friendly slap on the back to stroking a dog or cat. Humansdorpie 10:41, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Discography Additions
The discography currently lacks the music that was released on Paul Winley Records, such as the Death Mix.
First rapper?
Not even he claims to be the first rapper; anyone mind if I correct this? (Pete Scholtes)
He definatly is among the first, but its kind of stupid to say he's the 'original' rapper. 71.76.200.229 17:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
ok?
Bambaataa is credited for preventing huge gang wars and an outbreak of crime while outsiders and politicians credited Rudy Giuliani, the Mayor of New York City at the time.[citation needed]
Giuliani's tough-on-crime policies WERE instrumental in reducing crime in NYC. It's perfectly possible that both men played positive roles in preventing crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.3.218 (talk) 00:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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West Indian
"West Indian" seems unacceptable. Why don't we call him Caribbean? Even the Wikipedia page for "West Indian" links to Caribbean. I posit that this term is historically insensitive to both West "Indians" and actual Indians and that it is unclear and imprecise language. This is insensitive because it propagates an historical inaccuracy founded on a principle as simple as all Indians looking the same. The latter I feel is true because West Indian refers to indigenous people throughout the Americas, which vary greatly between each other, and because a more precise term ("Caribbean") exists. edit: I don't know what I'm doing posting in discussion. My apologies on formatting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.29.141 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 26 July 2008
Name and birth date
From what I've seen (the book by Jeff Chang being one of the best sources) we have no definitive information about either Bam's real name or his birth date, yet both are listed in the article. Chang claims categorically that his name is not Kevin Donovan and he is definitely a reliable source for our purposes. Particularly since this is a BLP, I don't think we can list his name without definitive information and as far as I know that does not exist. Barring objections, I think we should remove the listed name and birth date and explain that the is no definite information on this in the first section of the body. Any thoughts?--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
- No thoughts, I'm not sure that info is out there. Hager says he graduated from high school in '75. 86.44.17.107 (talk) 06:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- As a graduation date that obviously makes sense, but as you suggest the problem is a general lack of info when it comes to Bambaataa. I already removed specific references to his birth date and birth name in the article, and I think we ought to keep it that way—barring other sourced information about Bam's origins.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 12:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- The presently listed birthdate of *1957* would make him 14 or younger when *in 1971, he formed the "Bronx River Organization" as an alternative to the Black Spades* listed in the history section...Pklala (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've removed the birth date and name from the intro and info box again (I had not noticed they were re-added). I don't have the Chang book at home right now, but I'll try to verify the claim that Bam formed the Bronx River Org in 1971. That seems unlikely to me, though I could be wrong, considering that the Hoe Avenue peace meeting took place at the end of that year, and my understanding was that it was awhile after that that Bam formed BRO out of elements of the Black Spades. At the Hoe Avenue meeting he was a leader in the Spades but, I think, not to the point of splitting off into his own group. Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong about that, we need definitive sourcing for his name and/or birth date before we can put anything in for that. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 23:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- The presently listed birthdate of *1957* would make him 14 or younger when *in 1971, he formed the "Bronx River Organization" as an alternative to the Black Spades* listed in the history section...Pklala (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- As a graduation date that obviously makes sense, but as you suggest the problem is a general lack of info when it comes to Bambaataa. I already removed specific references to his birth date and birth name in the article, and I think we ought to keep it that way—barring other sourced information about Bam's origins.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 12:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Later career details in the Intro
This intro ends with details about the subject from 2007 and 2012. One of the problems with adding later career details to openings is that the opening becomes "closed" in a time span sense. Think "A B C ..." then "A...Z" (its like applying a time span range with a definite start and end). Articles need openings that highlight "why" readers should carry on reading the article. Later career details are counter-productive to this (IMO).
If no one minds in a few days I'll place the details where they should go chronologically in the article. If you disagree then revert.