Talk:Aize Obayan

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Proposed Deletion[edit]

I declined the proposed deletion tag because:

She clearly meets WP:ACADEMIC having occupied the highest position of a University. If I may also add that having an elected female leader such as a vice chancellor at the topmost position of a major institution is a very rare feat in Nigeria. Apart from her, I can only remember Professor Grace Alele-Williams of university of Benin who was also a female Vice-Chancellor in the late 80s. Nigeria is a male dominated country and a woman rising this high speaks notability. She also won Best Vice Chancellor of the Year award by the National Universities Commision (Topmost body that regulates education in Nigeria).

Darreg (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Aize Obayan[edit]

@RHaworth: @Wikicology: @Edward321: You need to have very strong evidence for whatever claim you make on Wikipedia. I had to write this because I feel harassed because of this and I don't like it. For the record let me state that I am not in anyway affiliated with the subject, I have never edited my institution of study on Wikipedia because I do not want any form of personal sentiments that contravenes the COI guideline I have edited many Nigerian universities in the past and this was just 1 of them. I am also not going to be forced to disclose any personal information about myself just because of this unwarranted event. I want to remain totally anonymous here and I always ensure that all my edits are NEVER promotional. I have been on Wikipedia long enough to know how disruptive COI can be and I always stay away from it.

Secondly Vice-Chancellors of universities are generally regarded very notable by longtime consensus on Wikipedia, and there are enough reliable secondary references in the article that establishes that she was the vice-chancellor of the school. The Punch, Sahara Reporters and Channels TV are one of the most notable Nigerian news sources. I am seeking second and third opinions on all the issues I raised above. I will appreciate all replys Darreg (talk) 12:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikicology I will also want to know what sounds like an advertisement in the article so that it can be rectified because to the best of my knowledge everything is properly referenced. Darreg (talk) 12:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Darreg, I am on your side. Edward321, you put back the COI tag. Please explain carefully your evidence for COI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I was restoring tags added by another editor, which the article creator removed without addressing the issues. That was assuming good faith on the part of Wikicology, the editor who added the tags. Elements of Darreg's talk page comment appear intended to have a chilling effect on editors who disagree with them and to falsely imply intended outing. RHaworth is a well-established neutral editor, so I have no intention of re-adding the tag unless strong evidence shows RHaworth's assessment is incorrect, and even then I would want to bring that to discussion first. Edward321 (talk) 13:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Darreg: WP:BLPSTYLE provided an answer to your question. BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement. Wikipedia is not news, or an indiscriminate collection of information. Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
  • If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
  • If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article.
  • If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.
You started like this- “Aize Imouokhome Obayan (PhD) was Vice-Chancellor of Covenant University, Canaanland, Ota, Nigeria until December 2012 when she was replaced by Professor C.K Ayo”. And every content is based on “Vice- chancellor”. A write up like this on wikipedia does not appear encylopedic (even with over 1 milion references) to me but mere advertisement. Does being a vice chancellor makes her the subject of a wikipedia article? If your answer is yes, what is the significance?. As per the WP:COI issue, Enfcer (talk · contribs) is in the best position to prove its connection with you. He added the tag long ago and had also proposed it for deletion at certain time. Thank you so much sir :@RHaworth:Wikicology (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@RHaworth: I knew the subject passed criteria 6 out of several criteria.

Criteria 6 stipulated clearly that “The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society”. What about the conditions I stated above, are they no longer valid? And Passing one criteria does not mean the subject will surely passed the other criteria. I have an article that passed more than 2 criteria yet on a discussion for deletion page. I suggest that its creator should categorize (as a scientist, economist, academician etc) it appropiately. That will enable us to put it through a “proper test”. If it pass. Then we keep and if it fail we delete. A VC can be a proffesional in any field. Let's know where it belongs. With the curent state of the article, I may need to suggest its Merging with the university she once headed.Wikicology (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you read WP:PROF, you will see that passing any one of the criteria passes the guideline (To quote: "Academics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable"). Since Aize Obayan passes criterion 6, she passes WP:PROF. -- 101.117.58.159 (talk) 01:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Off topic discussion[edit]

Please take COI allegations to user talk or WP:COIN
@RHaworth: and :@Edward321: my investigation on Darreg (talk · contribs) confirmed his WP:COI policy violation in connection with this article. Here [1] where he clearly disclosed to be an Alumni of Covenant University. A university where the subject was a Vice-chancellor. Wikicology (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As I said earlier, I am not going to be forced to disclose any personal information about myself here. All I will say again is that I AM NOT IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED WITH THE SUBJECT OR WITH THE THE INSTITUTION MENTIONED ABOVE. That edit summary is very misleading and totally false. I can choose to explain that comment (and any other one found) but I will be disclosing personal information if I do that and this situation is not worth it in my opinion. My major reason is that I have been a victim of harrasment outside Wikipedia (from Wikipedians) because of similar cases. I will leave the final judgement on this case for other Wikipedians to decide. Darreg (talk) 22:17, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This page is for the discussion of content only. This is not the place for a discussion about COI. Please take the issue of alleged COI to a user talk page or to WP:COIN.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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