Talk:Albrecht Brandi

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The U617 beached at Spanish Morocco Coast on 12 sep 1943. It was attacked by a) 2 Vickers Wellington from 179 Sqn.

                                                                              b) 2 Lockheed Hudson from 48 Sqn
                                                                              c) Corvette HMS Hyacinth K84
                                                                              d) Minesweeper HMAS Wollongong
                                                                              e) Trawler  Haarlem
                                                                              f) 1 Fairey Swordfish from Fleet Air Arm

but not by Short Sunderland. The previous day had sunk HMS Puckeridge off Gibraltar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.118.236 (talk) 21:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


"He also damaged the battleship HMS Rodney and the two aircraft carriers HMS Illustrious and HMS Formidable. " Where do you find these information? I think it's not true Siałababamak (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ships purportedly attacked[edit]

Moving here as unreliably cited to a self-published web site:


As commander of U-617, U-380 and U-967, Brandi claimed, and was credited with, sinking 20 ships of 115,000 gross register tons (GRT), 3 cruisers and 12 destroyers. Although ships sunk in the Mediterranean were doubled for award purposes, and extra credit was given for sinking warships, Brandi's actual sinkings were "startlingly less" according to Blair.[1] The verifiable total was:

  • 8 ships sunk for a total of 25,879 GRT
  • 1 auxiliary warship sunk for a total of 810 GRT
  • 3 warships sunk for a total of 5,000 long tons (5,100 tonnes)
Date U-boat Name of Ship Nationality Tonnage Fate[2][3]
7 September 1942 U-617 Tor II  Faroe Islands 292 Sunk at 62°30′N 18°30′W / 62.500°N 18.500°W / 62.500; -18.500 (Tor II (ship))
23 September 1942 U-617 Athelsultan  United Kingdom 8,882 Sunk at 58°42′N 33°38′W / 58.700°N 33.633°W / 58.700; -33.633 (Athelsultan (ship))
23 September 1942 U-617 Tennessee  United Kingdom 2,342 Sunk at 58°40′N 33°41′W / 58.667°N 33.683°W / 58.667; -33.683 (Tennessee (ship))
24 September 1942 U-617 Roumanie  Belgium 3,563 Sunk at 58°10′N 28°20′W / 58.167°N 28.333°W / 58.167; -28.333 (Roumanie (ship))
28 December 1942 U-617 HMS St. Issey (W25)  Royal Navy 810 Sunk at 32°37′N 20°22′E / 32.617°N 20.367°E / 32.617; 20.367 (HMS St. Issey (ship))
15 January 1943 U-617 Annitsa  Greece 4,324 Sunk at 33°02′N 21°58′E / 33.033°N 21.967°E / 33.033; 21.967 (Annitsa (ship))
15 January 1943 U-617 Harboe Jensen  Norway 1,862 Sunk at 33°04′N 21°50′E / 33.067°N 21.833°E / 33.067; 21.833 (Harboe Jensen (ship))
1 February 1943 U-617 HMS Welshman (M84)  Royal Navy 2,650 Sunk at 32°12′N 24°52′E / 32.200°N 24.867°E / 32.200; 24.867 (HMS Welshman (ship))
5 February 1943 U-617 Corona  Norway 3,264 Sunk at 32°11′N 24°46′E / 32.183°N 24.767°E / 32.183; 24.767 (Corona (ship))
5 February 1943 U-617 Henrik  Norway 1,350 Sunk at 32°11′N 24°46′E / 32.183°N 24.767°E / 32.183; 24.767 (Henrik (ship))
6 September 1943 U-617 HMS Puckeridge  Royal Navy 1,050 Sunk at 36°06′N 4°44′W / 36.100°N 4.733°W / 36.100; -4.733 (HMS Puckeridge (ship))
5 May 1944 U-967 USS Fechteler (DE-157)  United States Navy 1,300 Sunk at 36°07′N 2°40′W / 36.117°N 2.667°W / 36.117; -2.667 (USS Fechteler (ship))

References

  1. ^ Blair 2000, p. 524.
  2. ^ Helgason, Ships hit by U-617.
  3. ^ Helgason, Ships hit by U-967.

K.e.coffman (talk) 00:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is your problem? The claims have been checked against actual sinkings and the results published. I don't see why the list should not be reliable. ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 08:32, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ÄDA - DÄP: Are these ships being cited to Blair then? From the way the cites are presented, it looked to me that they were being cited to uboat.net. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:12, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@K.e.coffman: Uboat.net is using Blair as a source among others, mostly Busch/Röll (2001) and the like. I find the site the most accurate, ubiased, uptodate, accessible English-language source on German submarines, so maybe you want to raise the issue with the Reliable Sources noticeboard. ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 09:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]