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Gah the italics fail!

Uh, I tried to make the page not so much badly written by attempting to delete the italics, but it's not working, so help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.192.9.98 (talk) 03:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed single?

Do we have a source for this? I haven't seen one. So far the best is reference to a video being made and that is from the error in every article unreliable Sun bizarre column. SunCreator (talk) 14:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


--- I agree, this doesn't have reliable sources, "the sun" is a tabloid and not a very reliable one at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.139.26 (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Single or song

Is this a single or song? If it's a single do we have a WP:RS and if not which is the appropriate template to use? Initially it was Template:Infobox song but since then it's become Template:Infobox single. SunCreator (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It is an unreleased single, there are tons of sources that I have long forgotten that indicates Alejandro as a single. YZJay 23:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by YZJay (talk • contribs)
Without a reliable source it remains a song as Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. See WP:V. SunCreator (talk) 23:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Lady Gaga singles chronology

Do we have any source for the order of the singles? Obvious Bad Romance has been release and Telephone is next. Whatever is next has not been stated to my knowledge. Does anyone have a source for this? SunCreator (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

No, there is no confirmation of this being released as a single, and answer to your previous post, it should be reverted to the song template. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
She did want David Walliams in the music video, it said on digital spy. Why would she make a music video for a song she wasn't planning on releasing?--David (talk) 16:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Digitalspy reported referring to The Sun Newspaper. The Sun is not considered a credible source and no credible source seem to be forth coming. If however you know of any feel free to add or post them here. SunCreator (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Single cover

There is no reliable source for the single cover. But the cover that was previously posted is the actual cover. iTunes UK has removed the download, so it unfortunately can't be a source. Can anyone find an official source so the cover can be reposted? --Sdoo493 (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The is no cover yet. Telepone was first on lady-gaga.de so maybe place to look. SunCreator (talk) 23:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
There is a cover. It was released as a promotional single on iTunes UK with "Dance in the Dark" they both had single covers. This is it: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cpuM9a394Zw/SvlYpBFMc_I/AAAAAAAADmg/DRdYoMpMuSQ/s1600/Lady%2BGaGa%2B-%2BAlejandro.jpg --Sdoo493 (talk) 20:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Super unreliable source. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I know it's an unreliable source!! I posted it to show SunCreator that an official cover exists! --Sdoo493 (talk) 15:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
And from where do you know that its an official cover? --Legolas (talk2me) 04:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Hehe sorry to bug you guys but he's correct, that IS in fact the cover for the promotional single. You know the one you got rid of? And yes, it is indeed the third single. --Jess28 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.32.120 (talk) 04:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

You have any source to support your statement? The only source I see is that a music video is to be created, and that too supported by not so reliable sources. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I know it's the official cover because iTunes UK used it as the cover because it was a promotional single at the time as well as "Dance in the Dark". --Sdoo493 (talk) 19:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
"Used" it, not "using" it still. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I understand that, but you asked me if it was an official cover, not if it is the current official cover. By the way, don't be a smart@$$. --Sdoo493 (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Next time, such personal attacks will be reported, Im warning you. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Official 3rd single?

All Access has posted "Alejandro" on their new singles page. Is this a reliable source? It also has been getting radio airplay. --Sdoo493 (talk) 21:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

No. --Legolas (talk2me) 05:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

You aren't a smart one are you Legolas? I've heard it on the radio a lot!!!! -Jess28 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.32.120 (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Being on the radio does not make it a single. SunCreator (talk) 00:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed as single ,here's the reference http://thatgrapejuice.net/2010/03/lady-gaga-confirms-single/ --91.187.103.42 (talk) 10:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Music video - false info

In January 2010, it was reported that Gaga was holding casting calls for the music video for "Alejandro" and was eager for David Walliams to appear in the video alongside his fiancee Lara Stone. [20][21]

Digital Spy and The Sun are listed as sources. They are not reliable at all. That info is fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirillgdaily (talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

DigitalSpy in this case are 'reporting' on the Sun item and nothing more. Besides repeated WP:RSN said it's reliable, but there are other sources for the same thing Gaga to Cast Lara Stone in ‘Alejandro’ Video?. So change the source if you like. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 22:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Music video info

Lady Gaga confirmed today that the music video is going to be shot soon and will not be the continuation of Telephone. I think this is worth putting into the article. http://gagadaily.com/2010/03/new-lady-gaga-radio-interviews-5/ --Leporella (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Well this may be true, but Gagadaily is not a reliable source, simply because it is a fansite. I do have Music Video info though, Steven Klein is reportedly directing it

http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2010/03/will_steven_klein_do_lady_gaga.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluedrago197 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Gaga was interviewed by Australian radio station Nova 96.9, where she talked about the music video. She said "I'm so excited about the 'Alejandro' video,[...]Actually, we're shooting it very soon and I don't want to say who the director is yet because it's going to give a lot away.[...]Are you absolutely mad? I would never, ever tell you![about the concept of the video] I would be more likely to lie through my teeth to you [regarding] what the video's about so that you could all be surprised. But I will tell you it's not the sequel to the 'Telephone' video". I have two theories about the 'Alejandro' video.Ones that 'Teeth' will be released as the 4th single and she will fuse the two videos together(similar to 'Imma Be' and 'Rock That Body' by the Black Eyed Peas.). The other is that she said she would lie through her teeth about the concept. She then said that the video will not be the sequel to 'Telephone', meaning she might've just lied right thier! She did not say who the director is because it might be Jonas Akerland , who directed the 'Paparazzi' and 'Telephone' videos.Well, I just can't wait until the video premieres!--RebornRocks (talk) 11:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Song not single.

Someone please delete or revert this article back to the "Other Songs" category.

"The Sun" is not a reliable source. Someone please get rid of this ASAP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.144.123 (talk) 18:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

No there has been far to much war editing and to little discussion on this recently. The iTunes source http://itunes.apple.com/se/album/alejandro-single/id339247400 showing it already released, a source which in the text, is enough to show it's a single. SunCreator (talk) 18:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


-- That's a promotional single, just like "Dance In The Dark". Before the "The Fame Monster" was released both "Dance In The Dark" and "Alejandro" were released as promo singles. That article is for an iTunes page that is for the promo single and it isn't even in the US or Canada. It doesn't prove anything. This article needs to be reverted to the promo single or other songs format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.144.123 (talk) 20:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Not promotional. Promotional singles are 'not' available to be bought by the public and this can be bought on iTunes now. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree this needs to be converted to the songs, untill a better confirmation comes. iTunes is not a staple for reliable confirmation regarding singles SunCreator. And that Swedish release was before TFM was released universally. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
i agree with legolas, however this was released 15 feb, two months after the fame monster was released there. i think it should be considered a promo until its gets full release (or maybe this is just an alternate release for sweden, like britney did for i love rock n roll, and anticipating etc) However, ITunes IS a reliable source, because the record company are the people who put those releases up, there for making it extremely reliable because its what her record company has choses to release in format, date etc.--Apeaboutsims (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't see your issue with iTunes, previously you said iTunes was a WP:RS. What is the issue with a retailer that is selling an item already and has been doing do for almost a month. Are you saying that it's some sort of forgery? Regards, SunCreator (talk) 13:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
iTunes is a reliable source, for tracklisting and outlets. But confirmation regarding a single? No way. That comes from some official source like the artist's recording company, or MTV, BBC. Stuff like that. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Singles get music videos, not songs. Why are you so reluctant to say this is a single, no one has said it's not a single yet people have said it is. 206.45.0.225 (talk) 22:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

And where can I view this music video? Oh, wait. There is none. We are not a crystal ball. It's a future single. Nymf hideliho! 22:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Even that is not fully correct Nymf. No reliable source has reported that it is the third single, unlike Telephone, which was deemed as the second single, long time back by a number of reported sources. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
This might sound irrelevant or not needed to be said, but just to inform people that 'Dance In the Dark' has begun to receive heavy air-play in Australia, I don't know whether or not it's because she is currently in the Australia touring and that has caused it to be a promotional/radio single. What does this mean? --Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 11:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Radio doesnot chooses based on Record Company promotion, it chooses to play songs on their own. If "Dance in the Dark" is receiving promotion in Aus, opposite is "Monster", which is receiving airplay in US and Can + Alejandro. It depends on the record company if they want to release it now. --Legolas (talk2me) 11:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


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Someone please just revert this until Interscope, Cherrytree, or Streamline, releases some kind of statement making this official. Nothing is for sure a lot of the information from the article is unreliable, we should just put this on hold until someone can find something 100% reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.144.123 (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

iTunes Sweden shows selling it as a "SINGLE". Is that reliable?—Iknow23 (talk) 02:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed the itunes sweden date...shall i add it back?.....it was just for promo purposes....we all knew that in February "Telephone" was announced as the second single.....Charleysgrilledsubs (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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No it's not reliable because it reads "Promo single". If your calling it a single based on that than "Dance In The Dark" might as well be a single. When "Telephone" was chosen it had confirmation from the record label, it was also just released last month so I doubt Gaga would be in a hurry to release another single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.144.123 (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
its the next single : http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16691
http://www.allaccess.com/top40-mainstream/cool-new-music
plus: http://itunes.apple.com/se/album/alejandro-single/id339247400 (and the promo's for dance in the dark and alejandro were released 10th of november, and then removed. this was re-released).--110.175.56.28 (talk) 00:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Agree with 110... / The iTunes link they gave does NOT show 'Promo' anywhere that I can see.—Iknow23 (talk) 04:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
The confirmation from FMQB is more than reliable, not that from the iTunes. The allaccess link is unreliable because it is listed as Cool New Music, which is subject to change. --Legolas (talk2me) 06:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. iTunes already happened. FMQB is for a FUTURE event which might be cancelled. So what has ACTUALLY happened is more reliable than what 'is scheduled to happen'.—Iknow23 (talk) 05:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
It still doesn't fit why she would release this having just released "Telephone" 2 months prior. On top of that this entire ordeal should be resolved when the next single is actually announced by a source that can be traced to her or her label. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.144.123 (talk) 08:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I have a suggestion: instead of arguing for several more months about whether or not it's a single, why don't we just keep it under the singles category until it is supposed to be released? That way, the people who want it to stay under the singles category can have it stay there. On the other hand, the people who want the article categorized under songs or just plain old get rid of it can once it is proven by time. If we just wait until the time it's said to be released, we won't have to continually argue about different proof and the credibility of that proof. We won't be wasting our time if we do this. Once the time comes, we'll make a decision. If it's a single, we leave it alone. If it isn't a single, we either assign the article to a different category or we delete it. Why don't we try that? Weaselpie (talk) 20:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It HAS been released in Sweden as a single, so it is one no matter if it isn't released as a single anywhere else. If it is not a single it would be improper to use the single infobox until and unless it becomes one.—Iknow23 (talk) 07:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
was also released here:[1]--61.68.185.98 (talk) 09:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Chord Sequence, 4 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change: "The song has a basic sequence of Bm–D–F♯m–Bm–D–F♯m as its chord progression." to "The song verse has a basic sequence of Bm–D–F♯m–Bm–D–F♯m as its chord progression." because the current statement implies that the entire song has the given chord sequence, which is not the case. Only the verse has that chord sequence; the chorus has a different sequence. Anyone with knowledge of music theory can testify to this, though the (transposed) chords on this tab [2] show that the chord sequence does, in fact, change in the chorus. 129.63.2.70 (talk) 21:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks! If you would like to clarify further, just open another request. Celestra (talk) 22:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Headline text

Don't know if this is where to put this but: "A quarrel then arose between Gaga and her label where "Alejandro" was ultimately choose to be released." "choose" should read 'chosen'. I would also suggest that "where" be replaced with '...and her label, the outcome of which was that "Alejandro"...' 124.187.144.5 (talk) 11:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

New Music Video Information

Gagadaily, is Lady Gaga's biggest fansite also featured on her official website. The creator confirmed that the Alejandro music video will be shot during the end of April due to business. Gagadaily is a reliable source and Gaga herself also keeps in touch with them, and gives them exclusive news. Please add this new music video information to the Music Video section. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldFantasia (talk • contribs) 09:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Chart Performance

Lady Gaga has reached a new peak in Canada. It has jumped 28 spots to number 50 on the April 10 archive of Billboard Canadian 100. http://www.billboard.com/charts/canadian-hot-100#/charts/canadian-hot-100?begin=41&order=position —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.80.60 (talk) 14:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Number 8 in Australian Aria Charts on 12/4/2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.23.38 (talk) 07:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Debuts this week in New Zealand at 35 [www.rianz.org.nz] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.175.76 (talk) 12:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Jumps to 28 this week, same source as above in New Zealand.

Edit request from WorldFantasia, 20 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Lady Gaga is going to be performing Alejandro on American Idol. She confirmed it on Twitter.

WorldFantasia (talk) 12:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. Twitter is not a reliable source. Please provide a relaible source and the exact text you would like to have inserted. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 13:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I realize that twitter is not reliable...but when an ARTIST herself confirms her appearance...that should supersede the twitter concept. Now if a fan said that, then you could say twitter is unreliable...but SHE herself said this. And Gagadaily.com, Gaga's most trusted fansite, even confirmed her place http://gagadaily.com/2010/04/lady-gaga-to-perform-on-american-idol/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.23.208.16 (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
No, Gagadaily is still unreliable for Wikipedia. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from WorldFantasia, 21 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Well, since to Wikipedia Gagadaily.com and Twitter are not reliable, what can I do. Anyway, Gaga performed Alejandro at a charity in Japan April 18th. Watch the video of her on youtube. She also sang Speechless and Bad Romance.

WorldFantasia (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

The Editsemiprotected template is not for asking general questions, it's for making specific edit requests. Next time please use {{helpme}} instead. What you can do is wait for it to be mentioned in a reliable source. -- Ϫ 15:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
OK, the MTV reference should do it. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

charts

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/hot-100?begin=21&order=position position 28 ... it needs changing ... canadian hot 100 16 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AriandaGAGA (talk • contribs) 11:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Wait for 1 more hour, Billboard will update the direct link to the song, with these updates. --Legolas (talk2me) 11:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Billboard has changed the charts ... now we must change the rankings! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AriandaGAGA (talk • contribs) 11:58, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
What's the rush? It's just waiting for 1 hour when the direct link also changes. If you update the article now, the source won't support it. Be patient gurl. --Legolas (talk2me) 12:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

canadian hot 100 16 not 22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AriandaGAGA (talk • contribs) 12:50, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

ABBA and Ace of Base.

We need some real sources for the ABBA and Ace of Base allusions. The current sources only lead to a blog writer's speculation. Can we get some sources where Lady Gaga herself confirms this? I did a google search, and I have not found anything more than fan speculation. 75.164.34.162 (talk) 08:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I would agree that this should be removed. I personally can hear only passing similarities. - Tris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.144.5 (talk) 11:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Those "sources" (I use that term VERY loosely) don't even include quotes from her. I think they should all be removed. Also, the entire "Composition" section is completely wrong. The only thing correct about it is the part about Csardas. And the correct time signature is actually 99 BPM, not 80. I picked this song apart in FL Studio, and I can tell you straight-up that the time signature is 99. Cheers. 75.164.109.82 (talk) 07:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

No. None of you have pointed out any reliable source, and the composition section takes its content from reviews by critics. Hardly deletable based on an IP's speculation. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
You haven't either. 75.164.33.189 (talk) 03:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
But the sources cited in the article still doesn't really tell us the connection between Alejandro and Fernando by ABBA except the use of "Fernando" in both songs, but that's as far as it goes. I still can't see the connections in the lyrics or the music itself... --DoctorStrange (talk) 11:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Yet more problems with this article.

The sentence "Gaga said that the inspiration behind "Alejandro" was her "Fear of Sex Monster" and the basic meaning behind the song is about "falling in love with your best friend", Alejandro being her friend in the song" has this as a source. The only thing that page says is "LADY GAGA TAKES OVER FUSE! 2 more days of non-stop GAGA on tap. Monday, January 25th from 11AM to 6AM Programs: Lady Gaga: On The Record with Fuse (30 min), The Lady Gaga Chronicles (30 min), Loaded: Lady Gaga. Monday, February 15th from 11AM to 6AM Programs: Lady Gaga: On The Record with Fuse (30 min), The Lady Gaga Chronicles (30 min), Loaded: Lady Gaga". 75.164.33.189 (talk) 04:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

The source cited is the episode itself. It's fine. --Legolas (talk2me) 08:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from LOLMFAOROTFL, 4 May 2010

There are plenty of remixes of Alejandro available, and I think we should mention them. Here's the list of remixes that I know of:
Bimbo Jones Club Mix - 6:41
Bimbo Jones Radio Edit - 2:47
DJ Dark Intensity Remix - 4:41
Sound of the Arrows Remix - 3:58
Extended X-Mix - 5:14
NenoMix Tribal Remix - 6:38
DJ Juanje Remix - 4:38
SkuLL Edit - 4:11
Daddy San Mix - 5:15
Nek's Mix - 3:43
That's all I have, but I think we should add them to the article. There is a rumor about a Moto Blanco remix & a Skrillex Remix, but we certainly should wait until it's official. LOLMFAOROTFL (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Time signature.

The time signature mentioned in the article is for the SHEET MUSIC, not the actual song. 75.164.99.90 (talk) 02:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Remix EP?

I know that the remix ep may be official, but I think that listing Amazon has the reliable source for it should be removed. Gaga's site has not announced the release in her discography on her site (however usually they advertise around a month ahead). Amazon are also known for posting "Bootlegs" in her official discography as well. Look Here: [http://www.amazon.com/Lady-Gaga/e/B001LH2W8E/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1273486737&sr=8-1] [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lady-Gaga/e/B001LH2W8E/ref=s9_k2ah_gw_al1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=07FAK5J2X1XMFWA60QSS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294#]. These are examples of the Lady Gaga "xposed" which was a bootleg as well as the "Just Dance" vinyl that isnt on her label. I don't think this should be posted as of yet, because the source is NOT reliable. When her official site confirm the release, or it appears on itunes, i believe then it should be posted.--Apeaboutsims (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you. If no one opposes then go ahead and remove it. --Legolas (talk2me) 11:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh for fucks sake, if Amazon.com's MP3 store is going to sell it, so is iTunes. We went over this when the second Bad Romance Remix EP tracklist came on Amazon.com first. This is not a bootleg but a digital download which was authorized by her record label.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Previous discussion on Amazon.com's MP3 Store as a reliable source.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
hm, i wouldn't be so quick to revert. When we were working on the "And Then We Kiss" Page by Britney spears, there was an "and Then We Kiss - Remix EP" that contained 4 official remixes on Amazon for MP3 Download. Later on in 2007 it was removed from its site and Britney's blog (britney.com) stated that her label(s) never made that available for purchase, and it was an unofficial. So yes, i agree that when gaga's site confirm the release (remembering that gaga's site added telephone and bad romance etc. a month before its release) we should add it. So will it hurt to wait? Anyway, its not released yet so i don't see the problem in waiting less than 7 days.--Morgan3136 (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Consensus here prevails that we wait to see if it is really released. I personally will give seven days (as per Morgan3136) to see if it really is a bootleg or not, then remove or keep it. Agreed? --Legolas (talk2me) 09:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Agreed :). by the way, don't swear.--Apeaboutsims (talk) 09:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Concensus was last time that Amazon.com's MP3 listings were a suitable reference for this kind of content. It frankly does not really matter whether or not some other artist claimed that the release was not official. This was exactly the case with the 2nd Bad Romance remix EP. It's a perfectly fine reliable source for this information, unless it is otherwise proven wrong. You don't remove content because it might not be official. You remove it if it's definitely not official. Unless there is no iTunes Store that adds this EP on its release date, the track listing should remain.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Duh, that's what everyone is saying here. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I was reading wrong I guess. I thought people were saying it should be removed because it's not clear if it's official.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
i was trying to find the cover for the remix ep on Google images and found this site. it may resolve your argument. [3]--Jackex56 (talk) 09:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid not. Its a fan site. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
exactly, so, if the fan site said that they need money and have put up an alejandro remix ep and give the exact link, and the owner says he made the cover, that means the release is fanmade not an official release. i thought that would help, maybe not :S--Jackex56 (talk) 10:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

(Outdent)I understand, but we wait to see if Interscope indeed puts up this for sale, else we will remove it. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I've had a quick look and the listing [http://www.amazon.com/Alejandro/dp/B003LAPIW6/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1273443555&sr=8-13] does appear to be official. However i echo the comments and sentiments by Legolas that it has not been officially announced by Interscope and it doesn't appear to be available at the Universal Music store which is strange. But like i said the listing on Amazon says copy right of Interscope Records... (but to be fair none of the remixes for any of the singles are listed officially by the Universal Music Store [4]) Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I bought it on iTunes last night. I think that's proof enough.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
If you bought it, then please provide a link. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/alejandro-remixes/id371776112 —Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
And it's listed here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Well then, that explaines it all, its ready to go back up there. I will replace the amazon source with the iTunes one. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
There's no need to replace anything. Both links can be used.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Music Video Info

After the video shoot, rumors surfaced. There is said to be a connection to Lorenzo Maitani's "Removal of Paradise". Much like the music video for Telephone, a couple product placements have been mentioned, including, Chanel, and Haus of GaGa. Lady Gaga portrays three different characters throughout the music video, one of them, wearing a set of golden vampire grillz. Three actors were casted to play "Alejandro", "Fernando", and "Roberto", during separate scenes. The man portraying "Alejandro" is said to be a German actor named, Jordan Brower. A selected few scenes were described as "crazier than 'Telephone'", and there is even a burial scene. While there is no confirmation as to when the video is set for release, the director said the video would be finished very soon, and has a possible release sometime in June. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.80.146 (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You said it at first, rumors. TbhotchTalk C. 06:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
As much as it sounds appealing, just flat no at unsourced content. --Legolas (talk2me) 06:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
they shot the video alredy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.79.156.151 (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

^yes the video was shot on April 30 and May 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.184.51 (talk) 15:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

then why is it not mentioned in the article? 222.79.156.151 (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Genres

This song has been confirmed by multiple sources to have many disco and europop influences. I have no idea why it says pop-soul and dance.

  • Probably because those sources are OPINIONS.

Wrong Song

IN the article, it says gaga said, "...and the basic meaning behind the song is about "falling in love with your best friend", Alejandro being her friend in the song." That is for "Bad Romance," not "Alejandro". . .

Re-Release

After a hint revealed in a live concert over the weekend that Lady GaGa's "Alejandro" music video is coming out sooner than later, it is now confirmed that the highly-anticipated clip is scheduled to make its debut next week. In a forum on the singer's official website, the video is announced to come out Monday, June 7. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.10.79 (talk) 09:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} The "Alejandro" Single in Sweden has been "Re-Released". Its also appearing in other stores such as the Belgium store. its now released on the 24th Of May. Check the link in the release history section of the article. Thanks--Apeaboutsims (talk) 07:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thats true, the iTunes Sweden source that originally said Februar 15 now says May 24 Link. So, can someone remove February 15 and put May 24 instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Softonic (talk • contribs) 14:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

and also add Belguim, also scheduled for May 24.Link. Softonic (talk) 14:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done  Chzz  ►  16:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Minor edit in the music video section

{{editsemiprotected}} There is an error in the music video section that needs to be fixed. It says "On March 23, 2010, Women's Wear Daily reported that photographer Steven Klein will be directing the music video, which Gaga confirmed herself on May 6, 2010"

  • The source given is This, which is an interview from when Gaga was on American Idol, which was taped on April 28.Source 1Source 2. Meaning she confirmed it on April 28, not May 6. So, remove May 6 and put April.28. 69.22.184.51 (talk) 15:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Partly done: The link doesn't make it clear when the interview was recorded. It says that the interviewer "caught up with" Lady Gaga after her American Idol performance. I will make it clear that May 6 is when the interview aired, not when it was recorded. Tim Pierce (talk) 13:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually VEVO confirmed that Alejandro is suppose to come out tomorrow May 25th.--Nick 15:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smalln (talk • contribs)

It turned out to be a rumor, The actually Date is June 8th confirmed by People in the Lady Gaga Forums. I am not sure if its entirely true, bit If you would like, you may go ahead an investigate it! Smalln --173.54.99.101 (talk) 19:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
There is still no media reports regarding the release date. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

UK tracklistings

Why have they been removed? If you go on her official site you'll find them so put them back... http://www.ladygaga.co.uk/news.php?item=193 there happy now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.52.167 (talk) 13:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The Uk tracklist was removed because it was initially added without any sources. It has been put back with sources now. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Music video premiere

{{editsemiprotected}} In the music video section, add that the video will premiere on June 7, 2010.Source 1Source 2Source 3.

Done. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

lady gaga alejandro new peaks!

http://www.billboard.com/events/summer-live-preview-1004093814.story?tag=hpflash1#/song/lady-gaga/alejandro/15598432 you have to change the rankings! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.150.10.95 (talk) 10:58, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 95.84.74.182, 3 June 2010

Green tickY Um excuse me, but who the hell confirmed that Monster is the 4th single? If this is some Monster fan and is too pissed its not single, fucking delete that unless it has been confirmed, You know I think it's because of the likes of you people don't trust Wikipedia any more. Disgusting. 95.84.74.182 (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Removed. I hate that annoying people. TbhotchTalk C. 16:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Marcodacious, 5 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} On May 16, 2010, the song re-entered at number ninety five and has so far peaked at forty.[37]

Marcodacious (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 69.121.34.224, 6 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Regarding the Music video for the song - the official release date is Monday June 7, 2010.

69.121.34.224 (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 17:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Alejandro's MV

The official date is today, June 8th. Source: [5]Syfuel (talk) 05:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

edit semi protected

Green tickY in the release history section, the release date for the digital download of "Alejandro The Remixes" in France is May 18, 2010 not May 31, 2010 as per iTunes France. So change May 31, 2010 to May 18, 2010.

 Fixed TbhotchTalk C. 17:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Videoclip still

(has hammer) Can someone put this in the article , under paragraph "Music Video" ?

File:LadyGaga_Alejandro.JPG|300px|thumb|right|Still from the music video "Alejandro" by Lady GaGa With two brackets on each side ( [[ ]] ) And does someone knows what copyright license this is? And how do I make references in an article?

LarsFrietman (talk) 19:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Ben76210 (talk) 19:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)



thanks

(edit conflict) Not done Copyrighted image that was uploaded on commons. also it fails rule #8 of non-free content. TbhotchTalk C. 19:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

66.155.211.12 (talk) 20:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


Radio Edits

Why aren't these listed in the info box? It's apparent on all the promo singles floating out there that there are two different radio edits, citations aren't necessary for that. The ALBUM VERSION of Alejandro was not released to radio, therefore that length should not just be listed in the album info box (goes with all her other singles that have official radio edits). The official versions released to the radio are the RADIO EDITS so why aren't they listed? This goes for all other Lady Gaga info boxes as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.238.149 (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Album versions, radio edits, video lenghts, etc. are irrelevants for all albums/songs articles. If you are searching for the lenght of something go to iTunes, but if you really are reading the article, there's a special section. TbhotchTalk C. 22:45, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Who says that they're irrelevant to the article? If that's the truth then the length shouldn't even be listed. The version released to the radio should be listed under the "Length". For people who are researching the song, or want to know information, it should be listed at the top. The version on the radio is the version people come to know the most about the song. And it should be listed. iTunes is not a VALID source. iTunes removes songs from the stores sometimes. And not EVERYONE uses iTunes. Wikipedia is suppose to be a site where people can come and research information. And the information regarding what they're looking for should be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hangshimkim (talk • contribs) 22:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
As I said above if you really are reading the article, there's a special section (Traklisting). Also did you had checked all FA song on en Wikipedia? Neither have "Radio edit". TbhotchTalk C. 22:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

"Yes I am reading the "article", and there is NO PLACE in this article so far that LISTS the the official versions of the song. "Yes I am reading the "article", and there is NO PLACE in this article so far that LISTS the the official versions of the song. And that is not true about the FA for wikipedia, A LOT of the songs list the versions in the infobox, because that's the version released to the radio.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hangshimkim (talk • contribs) 22:55, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

1) Give a source about radio edit. 2. Give at least 5 FA articles that includes "Radio Edit". TbhotchTalk C. 22:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Wow, was added without source, someone would remove it someday. TbhotchTalk C. 23:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

edit

Green tickY in the release history section, the release date for the digital download of "Alejandro The Remixes" in France is May 18, 2010 not May 31, 2010 as per iTunes France. So change May 31, 2010 to May 18, 2010.

On the amazon reference, that you gave before, says June 27, I changed it per your request. TbhotchTalk C. 17:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

But the earliest date should be put, and the earliest is May 18 not June 27. and iTunes is more reliable than Amazon.

 Done TbhotchTalk C. 02:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Concept

This term is also used on the Bad Romance page to explain certain concepts in the video. It's not a synopsis or summary of the video. It's not an opinion Cabaret is a plot here, nor is it opinion there is a Bob Fosse tribute. Sources from trivial sites, and there are a lot on this page, are not be all end all. Thanks for reading, Shakesomeaction (talk) 01:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

You said that the video is the source itself, didn't you? I saw the video and I didn't saw Cabaret (film), I saw a second-tier Madonna, also the video is not a reliable source because it, or Gaga, does not says "Little monsters this scene is from Cabaret enjoy it, you are adding original research. TbhotchTalk C. 01:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
When an actress plays in a remake of a film, there doesn't have to be a quote anywhere on a Wiki page of the actress saying "This is a remake of so-and-so film!" People who have seen and are educated of the film and musical are aware of it. Please research musical theater if this isn't obvious to you and sources are needed in these minor details. You are very argumentative here for some reason unknown, and you don't own this page. Stop it. If you are from GaGaDaily, you can find me there. Thanks for reading, Shakesomeaction (talk) 02:14, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
It's also quite obvious you haven't seen Cabaret or a Bob Fosse performance. Otherwise this wouldn't be an issue for you. Thanks for reading, Shakesomeaction (talk) 02:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Though I would like to remove your info, something that I cannot do because I cannot reverty more here, those information have a source and is well written. Also, I do not own (actually no one) the article, in fact I hate the song and the video, but I am here because several fans, like you did it at first, always add unsourced information. TbhotchTalk C. 02:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure why your opinion of the song or video is prevalent for the topic of conversation, and the unsourced information didn't need a source in the first place. What I wrote is quite clear, none is opinion--it's written in TONS of articles on the internet as we speak. Anyone just a tiny bit familiar with musical theater would notice this. You can't use your ignorance as an excuse here. I know you'd love to remove my information, because you don't understand how it fits. Methinks perhaps it would be best if you don't edit articles you clearly know nothing about, or are biased about.
Real research works like this, learn about it. It's not just those college papers you wrote long ago in English I. When something is so obvious like this, a scientist or a PhD does not say, "But there's no source to the obvious!" Try writing a real research paper then ask me about sources. And by the way, she started her career as Lady GaGa, perhaps she has changed it, or Wikipedia has decided to go with Lady Gaga, but nevertheless, that is initially the correct way. I'm not upset about either style. Bye bye mein lieber herr, Shakesomeaction (talk) 02:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I am going to see Cabaret, because I am an ingorant, and you should read this again. TbhotchTalk C. 02:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Fortunately it's verifiable, all you have to do is watch the film! Thanks for reading! Shakesomeaction (talk) 12:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The soldiers in this video are meant to represent the gay, transgendered and bisexual men in this society that are *expected* to be aggressive and fully ‘masculine’ men. Them marching around in synchronized form represents the role that they’re expected to play in society – Always marching in a tight pattern, never meant to branch off from that gender role. However, as the video progresses, you see Gaga in and out of scenes, wearing these religious outfits. Those outfits are symbols for the intense religious Christian-Catholic backlash that the LGBT community experiences from religious zealots with how they say that ‘gays are going to hell’, ‘you need jesus,’ ‘being gay is a sin,’ etc.

Gaga is not meant to be the focus of this video. Gaga is simply a symbol for how conflicting religion becomes when a gay man has to emotionally deal with accepting that he’s ‘gay’ when his religion tells him that it’s a sin. Gaga is a modern symbol of the virgin Mary – a cold, religiously bound woman who cares about serving and satisfying Christ. That’s very blatant and evident in what she wears, the crosses in the background, her swallowing rosemary beads, and so on. As the video carries on, you see her getting “felt up” by a man in a scene with various beds.

Those beds are metaphors for what gay men experience when they’re trying to fight their growing erections from their fantasies when trying to sleep at night. During the day, society pressures them to act a certain way, to truly be the biased aggressive man. But as soon as they’re alone, even if they still ‘look’ manly and assertive, their feminine aspect of their sexuality comes to the forefront and they express their fantasies in the dead of night. Also stands for the millions of gays, transgendered and cross dressers that can only show their *true* selves at night when greater society isn’t watching. These few scenes are increasingly sexual in order to show the massive, heated underlying sexual conflict that gay men experience within themselves. It’s restless, monsterous and almost unbearable because society tells them that they shouldn’t express their feelings towards other men.

“Alejandro” is a metaphor for society’s gender role of the aggressive man that society yearns for. The ‘nazi costumes’ are symbols that we are so bound to fulfill gender roles assigned by society to the point where we are psychologically placed into internment camps. Meaning that we’re forced to act a certain way in fear of being shunned, abandoned, alienated or ridiculed. When gay men get mixed up into that, they portray ‘nazis’ in this video or simply ‘strong military men’ to once again show the roles that they’re expected to play by culture’s eyes.

Gaga is a symbol of how mainstream Christianity and Catholicism religions see the LGBT community. The ‘funeral’ represents the LGBT community ‘killing’ those mainstream biased gender roles. The continuous emphasis on showing that one man as ‘Alejandro’ with a scene of a riot playing behind him represents how, despite his throbbing sexuality – he must fulfill his role as a ‘man’ by staying silent as he listens to riots break out surrounding the tension around his sexuality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.6.23 (talk) 01:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

This comment also can be found at Gagadaily, Yahoo! answers and youtube. Should it be removed because this is not a forum?. TbhotchTalk C. 01:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

it appears to be the most logical explanation, although not confirmed by gaga herself

What about your professional "sources" on the topic? This is essential a fan blog. Now I understand your attitude in this matter. Shakesomeaction (talk) 02:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
When you say This is essential a fan blog, do you refer to the Talk:Alejandro (song), if it is the case, Wikipedia talpages are not forums for general discussion. TbhotchTalk C. 02:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
No I didn't.Shakesomeaction (talk) 02:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Music Video Reviews

I'm new to wikipedia. But the article says that the video recieved mixed reviews because it was being similar to Madonna's work. First of all, I read most of the online reviews, and they all seem to be positive. Second, the Madonna comparisons were trending when the music video preview came out because of the outfits and the black and white colors, but the once the actual 8 minute music video came out, it was all cleared up and most of the critics withdrew this comparisons.

Disagree. Please read the whole section carefully as to the religious backlash to the video coupled with the glowing reviews, is what makes it a mixed review. And each of them straightforward has noted the Madonna influences in it. --Legolas (talk2me) 10:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Despite that it has been edited and removed, it was clearly written "critical reviews" and this has no relationship whatsoever with the religious backlashes, and as for the Madonna comparisons, they are actually true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GagaLittleMonster (talk • contribs) 22:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request

In the "Critical Reception" section, the first time Ace of Base is mentioned it is misspelled as "Ace of Bace" Damianesteves (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. In general, people should use extreme caution in doing edits on the behalf of unconfirmed editors on this article. It is protected because a banned user, Brexx, is attempting to edit it. This change was sufficiently trivial that I see no harm even if the new editor turns out to be Brexx, so I went ahead.—Kww(talk) 22:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Blasphemy?

I think calling the video blasphemy is very subjective and depends on how you interpret it, i believe it shows religion in a more positive light, if you read some of kleins comments on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.162.93 (talk) 09:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

If Gaga wanted to convey a "desire to take in the Holy," why wasn't she shown praying with the Rosary beads instead of devouring them? You know, do with Rosary beads what they were intended to be used for.75.37.239.18 (talk) 20:39, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson Reference

She is wearing a device/contraption around the start of the video which she has said is a reference to the same device that Marilyn Manson is wearing in the 'Beautiful People' music video. The two artists recently collaborated on a remix of GaGa's song 'LoveGame' so this is possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.166.221.118 (talk) 13:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Katy Perry Fans

Please stop deleting my work. It's part of the song's history and her words are verifiable. Catherine Huebscher([[User talk: Catherine Huebscher|talk]]) 18:58, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Cathy, are you sure that Perry was refering to Gaga? though some sources "think that was an undirectly message for Gaga", this is not the place for speculations. TbhotchTalk C. 02:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

edit e

Green tickY in the release history section, add that "Alejandro The Remixes" has been released on May 18, 2010 in Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Belguim, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and Switzerland.

I just wanted to clarify that the range of Lady GaGa's vocals in the song does extend down to F-sharp 3, but that they cap-off at A4. If somebody is willing to edit this information, I'd appreciate it.

For this request, it's that the range of the song only goes from F-sharp 3 to A4, for the vocals. Unfortunately, it seems that musicnotes.com is incorrect, and this request is only based upon personal knowledge by perfect pitch, not by any other outside sources. Therefore, the article has incorrect information, but how would one go about changing it? 75.194.174.108 (talk) 05:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Partly done: I added references, bt I don't know about the second request, could you be more specific? TbhotchTalk C. 19:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Truongbaohan, 19 June 2010

Green tickY


Truongbaohan (talk) 00:43, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Chart (2009/2010) Peak
position
Australian Singles Chart[1] 2
Belgian Singles Chart (Flanders)[2] 6
Belgian Singles Chart (Wallonia)[2] 7
Brazilian Hot 100 Airplay[3] 97
Canadian Hot 100[4] 4
Czech Airplay Chart[5] 16
Danish Singles Chart[2] 19
Dutch Top 40[6] 7
European Hot 100 Singles (Billboard)[7] 24
Finnish Singles Chart[2] 6
French Digital Singles Chart[8] 3
Hungarian Singles Chart[9] 5
Irish Singles Chart[10] 5
New Zealand Singles Chart[11] 11
Norwegian Singles Chart[2] 9
Russian Airplay Chart[12] 24
Slovak Airplay Chart[13] 2
Swedish Singles Chart[2] 5
Swiss Singles Chart[2] 17
UK Singles Chart[14] 19
US Billboard Hot 100[4] 5
US Hot Dance Club Songs[4] 2
US Mainstream Top 40[4] 4
Done, but please say what exactly what you want the next time. TbhotchTalk C. 00:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Chart Positions

"Alejandro" has actually reached number 4 on the Canadian Hot 100, not 12. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.85.219.96 (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed TbhotchTalk C. 20:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

The song has only just charted at number 40 in the UK not number 10, that link doesn't even say 10 so that's wrong as well

Also, it hasnt peaked at #1 in Australia or #4 in the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.14.64 (talk) 17:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

According to the article, the song has charted in the UK but has not yet been released there.--92.14.15.154 (talk) 00:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
it has been released digitally, just not physically. Mister sparky (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Dance/Club Chart Play Edit

Billboard's site lists on Alejandro's page that the song peaked at #1, not #2.

Billboard Link —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brycake (talk • contribs) 14:17, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

no it says 2... Mister sparky (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Alejandro is at #2 on Dance Club, however it moves to #5 on the Hot 100, due to a last minute Streaming incorporation by Billboard. This situation happened before also. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:13, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Germany release date

{{editsemiprotected}} in the release history section, can someone add that it will be released as a CD Single in Germany on July 2, 2010.Source.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Adultdream (talk • contribs) 12:21, 21 June 2010

Done, thanks. Chzz  ►  15:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done

Russian billionaire

I don't know whether it should be mentioned or where on the page. However a russian billionaire paid to make an appearance in the video clip for this song. [15] 112.213.46.7 (talk) 07:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The true Interpretation?

this song is about gaga only dating a guy for the cash and sex but she really doesnt love him. she knows that he is cheating on her and that the other girls feel the same way that she does. she doesn't even remember his name so she keeps saying, alejandro, fernando, roberto. she wants to leave but he keeps flattering her with cash and sex . . . "stop, please just let me go". Tisane talk/stalk 19:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Madonna

Just would like to know if Madonna was ok with all the refrences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyinglis (talk • contribs) 20:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

From what I've read, she said to a friend of hers: "Is this the video in which she thinks she's me?" Alecsdaniel (talk) 14:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

i think thats abit rich from Madonna, i dont think she should see it like that because it can be incredibly difficult to be original. Prince Dennis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.90.56 (talk) 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Chart Positions

Alejandro reached #1 (3 weeks) on the Brazillian Charts according to http://www.hot100brasil.com/chtsinglesb.html and not #97 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.63.138.192 (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Billboard Brasil is the only accepted. TbhotchTalk C. 19:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Gaga Cited her Influences???

where is the interview? under Composition it says "A mid-tempo song with heavy Europop and disco influences, "Alejandro" is influenced by ABBA and Ace of Base." who said?? especially that ABBA one. when I read this I thought well she must have said this but looking at the referenced posted it was more like They said. They come from blogger-like articles from dead-beat writers I dont think they even critics [6][7][8] ^^^ clean-up/move to (if it even qualifies) to Critical reception and delete it from Composition.--Anen87 (talk) 03:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Germany release date - Part 2

{{editsemiprotected}} it was added but someone removed it....so, is is being requested again: in the release history section, can someone add that it will be released as a CD Single in Germany on July 2, 2010. Source: Lady Gaga's official German website

 Done Buscaaweb (talk) 10:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

dog and headphones

After a couple of watches of the video, I found out that her dog and beats by dr. dre were not featured in it. anyone know why? 125.78.131.181 (talk) 09:25, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

No. --Legolas (talk2me) 06:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the dog died, and the part were they filmed with the headphones was cut out. YZJay (talk) 07:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Ithink it's a violation to Interscope since every artists signed to the label are required to show them (headphones) in thier videos. YZJay (talk) 07:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Your opinion, there's no third party notability. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
but still it's very obvious. 120.33.26.190 (talk) 16:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Evandro Soldati is Alejandro

The model holding a golden gun is called Evandro Soldati [Ford]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.206.179.64 (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes that's him Here is the source Evandro Soldati is Alejandro It sure is worth mentioning in this article!--Anen87 (talk) 23:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Ace of Base. & ABBA?

This sounds a good deal like Ace of Base's "Don;t Turn Around," but what ABBA song does is sound like as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.118.100 (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

The only similarities between "Alejandro" and ABBA I found are the way "Fernando", in this song and in the ABBA song with the same name, are being said. It does kinda sound like being taken from that ABBA song, but I think it's a too small thing to name it as an influence over the song. Well, the critics know better. Alecsdaniel (talk) 12:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
There are a couple of links I've found.
The search Alejandro+ABBA gets ghits. ----moreno oso (talk) 03:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Charts

Russian Airplay TopHit 100 Peak position: 1 http://www.tophit.ru/cgi-bin/trackinfo.cgi?id=24041 95.110.22.208 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:BADCHARTS is not allowed. TbhotchTalk C. 01:24, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The Remixes

There could be included the country of release of The Remixes CD single (US). I found this reference:http://www.discogs.com/Lady-GaGa-Alejandro-The-Remixes/release/2327260 (21:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyboytoy (talk • contribs)

Is there any relation to Alexander McQueen?

I'm under the impression that Alejandro (song), released in May 2010, is somehow related to Alexander McQueen, the fashion designer who committed suicide in February 2010 and whose creations were frequently used by Lady Gaga. She even said "this is for Alexander" after she performed another song (Telephone) after his suicide. I haven't searched for any source regarding this connection, but I'd be surprised if there isn't any. Perhaps someone with more time in their hands could search for a source and add the information to the song's and the designer's article? Cogiati (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I do not think so. I was jamming to this song in the summer of 2009 as my new favourite song when some of her demos were leaked onto YouTube, so this song was written before that. Yves (talk) 23:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Ditto. At that time the demo >> original. Though I hate the demo now. — Legolas (talk2me) 04:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Ah..! Ok, then! Cogiati (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Live Performances

She performed it on BBC'S Radio 1 Bi Weekend —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.27.134 (talk) 13:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is her accent in this song called "non-English"?

The currrent version of the article contains this line:

"The Ace of Base influences are prominent in the beats of the song, the vocals and the melody and lastly, in Gaga's non-English accent while singing the song."

What in the world does it mean for Lady Gaga to have a "non-English" accent? Since she's American, why would we expect her to have an English accent in the first place? Did the person who wrote this mean "non-American"? Is the writer implying that she sounds Swedish in this song since Ace of Base is Swedish? Can anyone help here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.108.67.153 (talk) 00:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Release date is rather May 10 than May 18

Hi. I just spotted the erroneous citing of iTunes and fixed it (May 18 -> May 10), and it says iTunes released the song on May 10 in following countries: France,[9] Belgium,[10] Denmark,[11] Netherlands,[12] Norway,[13] Portugal,[14] Sweden[15] and Switzerland.[16] Only the Canadian iTunes released it on May 18, 2010, so why the heck the May 18 is hanging in the info box? Reasoning is...? Thanks for replies! -- Frous (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

About the link-rot

About the template I added for bare links, it wasn't a mistake. Ref 121 is unformatted. The template should be added even if one link is bare. 46.217.63.107 (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Or you can use your hands and fix it by yourself. That template is a purely disruptive message. Instead cof create problems fix them. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Russian Certification

Single went platinum in Russia. Can find it here: http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/02/05/chart/ Chart provided by 2M-online.ru which work with NFPF a Russian part of IFPI. Charts in PDF: http://www.2m-online.ru/news/detail.php?ID=5678 It also was said that single sold 250K in Russia and that combined sales of Gaga's Russian singles (Just Dance, Poker Face, Paparazzi, Bad Romance, Telephone, Alejandro and Dance in the dark) are 2 million copies. Universal music Russia has a link to this charts: http://www.universalmusic.ru/ru/artists/742/news/1364/

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U.S.A certification

Please add 2X certification for Usa. Thank's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.178.255.19 (talk) 19:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Influcnes

Songs that have a genre described as an "influence" should not make it part of the genre. Just as because a group is influenced by the British invasion bands, doesn't make them part of it. Simple as that really. That's why we should remove euro-pop from the genres in the infobox until further citations are found. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Gaga in Alejandro Video.jpg placement

I was asked to come here by IndianBio who reverted my movement of File:Gaga in Alejandro Video.jpg into the religious iconography section. I accept that this looks worse, however this is not an issue to do with looks but to do with copyright.

I have nominated several images of Gaga videos from articles for deletion as failing WP:NFCC, in particular section 8 which requires that the image aid the reader's understanding. File:LG & B telephone MV 02.jpg for instance is in the Telephone article, but in no way aids the reader's understanding. It's Beyoncé and Gaga in a car - nothing which cannot be easily conveyed in text. File:Gaga in Alejandro Video.jpg has potentially the same issue, if it is in its current position. It is currently in the video synopsis section, where it is not used in any critical manner enhance understanding of the video, thus failing NFCC#8. Where the image does aid understanding is in the religious iconography section, as it's quite hard to know what people are getting worked up over from just text. In this section it passes NFCC, and this is the only section in which it could pass.

This causes issues with the Katy Perry picture placement, as that photo is only relevant to the iconography section. However this image is frankly gratutious - we don't really need a photo of Perry, it's just to stop there being a big block of unillustrated text. We can get rid of this picture without problem. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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