Talk:All I Want for Christmas Is You

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Vince Vance & The Valiants original[edit]

Why is there no mention of the original version by vince vance and the valiants? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.139.230 (talk) 18:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Powers and Andy Stone reportedly wrote a song by the same name, which Vince Vance & The Valiants recorded in 1989. The melody came from Bobby Vinton's "My Heart Belongs to You" (with minor alteration). If all of this is true, Carey's authorship is called into question -- particularly her sitting down with her writing partner and hashing "her" song out in 15 minutes.--Artaxerxes (talk) 16:43, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How Mariah Carey (Maybe) Stole Christmas From Dallas: Mariah Carey’s 1994 Christmas Hit Is A Treasure, But It Sure Does Sound A Lot Like Vince Vance & The Valiants’ 1989 Hit “All I Want For Christmas Is You.” by Cory Graves; December 5, 2017--Artaxerxes (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Her management contacted him about doing the song, but when he wanted too many royalty points, she decided to cut negotiations. 2601:646:9400:5D96:D4F7:5B28:D828:C7F1 (talk) 08:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In a 2010 interview with Bayou Buzz, Vince Vance said:--Artaxerxes (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

“All I know is that my ‘All I Want for Christmas is You’ pre-dates Ms. Carey’s by 5 years! This may be unkind, but I have always believed that she heard ours and she thought she would use it as a base for her version. Hers is more up-tempo, but thematically it is frighteningly similar. I think ours smokes hers. However, I have to give it to her: Her version did confuse the market. I guess you think those kind of things when you are a composer. Who knows!?”

— Vince Vance
Rolling Stone article posted 2022 November article says "In fact, there are 177 copyrighted songs with the title “All I Want for Christmas Is You,” including many that were written before the Vince Vance and the Valiants version." Since the Mariah article was moved from All I Want for Christmas Is You (Mariah Carey song) TO All I Want for Christmas Is You I think the lead section of "All I Want for Christmas Is You" article should mention the number of PREVIOUS versions of the song, with a list of some of those songs including the version by Vince Vance and the Valiants. --EarthFurst (talk) 08:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The other versions weren’t number one on the country charts for three years running. 2601:646:9400:5D96:D4F7:5B28:D828:C7F1 (talk) 08:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't This A Cover?[edit]

I have always thought Mariah Carey's version of this song was a cover of the Vince Vance and the Valiants' song featuring Lisa Layne by the same name. It was released in 1989, 5 years before Carey's version. This article says that Mariah Carey wrote it in 1994. Certainly that can't be correct?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_I_Want_for_Christmas_Is_You_(Vince_Vance_%26_The_Valiants_song) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.236.233.4 (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not a cover. These are two separate tracks that just happen to share the same title. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:17, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That are two different songs --Melly42 (talk) 00:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
They share more than just a title, they are basically the same song from a thematic standpoint, and many of the lyrics overlap. The melody is certainly original, but the idea that it is a ripoff of the Vince Vance track is something that has come up. Both Vince Vance and Lisa Layne have given interviews where they suggested that they thought the song was very much a copycat.Schnapps17 (talk) 19:19, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Correct History[edit]

As noted elsewhere in Wikipedia the original version of this song was in 1989 by Vince Vance & The Valiants so while Carey's was a super hit it is not the original but a cover. That should at least be mentioned on this page.

  • As has been previously mentioned on this page, the Vince Vance song is a totally different song. Ozzieboy (talk)
The songs are essentially the same, and the original's melody was apparently purloined from a Bobby Vinton hit.--Artaxerxes (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RIAA and Nielsen = Two different sources[edit]

Keep in mind that even though this song has legitimately sold 2 million digital copies, the RIAA only has it certified as GOLD.

It shall remain Gold until Sony Music Entertainment decides to recertify it.

WolfSpear (talk) 16:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A "hint of longing?", a "HINT of longing?" It's more like an avalanche of teenage angst because your crush won't reciprocate![edit]

a melancholic song about unrequited love, especially because it’s all crescendo and no denouement: Listeners never find out if the main character actually gets her wish—much less if the person she’s confessing her love to actually feels the same way. “All I Want For Christmas Is You” is a one-sided confession of wants and desires, not a song describing or celebrating a consummated relationship. “Honestly, the lyrics, to me, come off as hopelessly sad,” Williems says. “I’ve read the critical reception section of the song’s Wikipedia page, and I can’t help but think the critics weren’t really listening. One critic seems to claim there is a ‘hint of longing,’ which might be the understatement of the century.

If you wanted to get real bummed about it, I think the argument could be made that the song is denouncing the artificiality surrounding the spectacle of Christmas,” he continues. “Saying that you are so hung up on the negative of not being with one person on Christmas that you can’t embrace the joy of the holiday is really pretty sad, but also movingly honest for a pop Christmas song.

http://www.avclub.com/article/why-mariah-careys-christmas-hit-will-be-around-for-229110

Someone sort it out. Who is Williems? And why can't he/she spell "Williams" properly? Claudebone (talk) 11:21, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source with info on writing etc.[edit]

@IndianBio: @Calvin999: Hey guys. This source goes into detail on the writing/recording/producing of the song. Since the background section etc. is kind of falling apart, maybe you guys could help and tweak it up. The source has some good info. Thanks, Cheers, and Merry Christmas :).--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 03:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow thats a great source! Thanks for finding it Petergriffin. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in All I Want for Christmas Is You[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of All I Want for Christmas Is You's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "mimisales":

  • From Mariah Carey albums discography: Thompson, Tom (April 19, 2008). "Pop CDs of the week: Mariah Carey, Pete Molinari and more..." The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved May 10, 2011.
  • From Bye Bye (Mariah Carey song): Thompson, Ben (April 19, 2008). "Mariah Carey Confirms Surprise Wedding to Nick Cannon". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved May 10, 2011.
  • From Mariah Carey: Thompson, Ben (April 19, 2013). "Mariah Carey Criticized for Angolan President Performance". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved May 10, 2011.
  • From I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time: Thompson, Ben (April 19, 2008). "Pop CDs of the week: Mariah Carey, Pete Molinari and more..." The Daily Telegraph. Telegraph Media Group. Retrieved May 10, 2011.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Cover versions[edit]

I noticed the "List of cover versions" section through a notification I got when someone linked The Girl and the Dreamcatcher here. I'm not convinced we need an indiscriminate list of every single cover version. Notable ones should probably be explained in prose instead. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great Job Guys![edit]

Y'all have done a fantastic job cleaning up and updating the article. Looks great! My hat is off to you guys - from the guy who originally got the article to GA. Merry Christmas everyone :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 01:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update chart positions[edit]

I would like someone to update chart positions. For instance, this song was number #1 in Spanish charts for 01/01/2017 week: http://www.spanishcharts.com/weekchart.asp?cat=s&year=2017&date=20170101. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alherpo (talk • contribs) 22:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Credits[edit]

This song was not written by Maria Carey. There is an older version that was originally performed by Vince Vance and the Valiants and sung by Lisa Layne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nreginel (talk • contribs) 04:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • All I Want for Christmas Is You (Vince Vance & The Valiants song) is a completely different song from the Mariah Carey song. I'm not a musicologist, but listening to one of the songs right after the other, I don't hear any similarity other than the title. Compare "Taurus" by Spirit with "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin. Listening to "Taurus", I can hear similarities to "Stairway to Heaven", yet a jury found that the two songs were not intrinsically similar. The Vince Vance and Mariah Carey songs sound a lot more different from each other than do "Taurus" and "Stairway to Heaven". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • However, now that Andy Stone of Vince Vance & the Valiants has sued Mariah Carey over this song, it is relevant to mention that fact in this article. I seriously doubt that his lawsuit will get anywhere because the songs are so different. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Animated film[edit]

There is a new animated film titled All I Want for Christmas Is You with the voice of Mariah Carey. It is notable to mention this film? --Melly42 (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

 — Calvin999 10:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish certification[edit]

AIWFCIY has been certified x2 platinum in Spain: https://www.promusicae.es/listas/semana/4267-canciones-semana-52-2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alherpo (talk • contribs) 22:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New single artwork[edit]

Should the artwork on the article be updated to this new single artwork? https://www.amazon.com/All-I-Want-Christmas-You/dp/B07ZWBD447 The k nine 2 (talk) 15:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All I want for Christmas worldwide sales[edit]

Mariah Carey all I want for Christmas has now more than 20 millions certified units/sales in the board of certifications and in the worldwide summaries is referred as 16 millions. Why isn't there an update? 188.73.245.10 (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:SYNTHESIS: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source." You need an independent source explicitly saying that it has sold over 20 million copies. The current source is from 2017 and certifies those 16 million copies. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Updated Certification 2022[edit]

As of December 14th, 2022, All I Want For Christmas Is You has been re certified 12X Platinum by the RIAA.

This makes it the joint highest certified song by a female artist (alongside Katy Perrys Firework).

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=mariah+carey#search_section

https://thatgrapejuice.net/2022/12/riaa-mariah-careys-want-for-christmas-ties-katy-perrys-record-for-highest-certified-female-hit-time/ JBDoubleu22 (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Updated Sales Figure[edit]

The reported sales figures for All I Want For Christmas (the 16 million figure) are incredibly out of date, seeing as though its total number of certified copies exceed 22 million. There is clear evidence that this 16 million figure has been relied upon in sources which have been cited and therefore perpetuated a never-ending cycle. I therefore suggest that the figure be updated to the 22 million to reflect the actual minimum number of certified copies sold, and to ensure that official sources can report on the song's sales accurately in line with its increases in certification. This '22 million' figure will also need to be reflected in the List of Best-Selling Singles page, subject to the disclaimer that this reflects the total number of certified copies sold, rather than a sourced sales figure (which are clearly inaccurate). Cucas1234 (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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