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IS APHC Representative[edit]

The question is that the APHC claims to represent the people of the state of J&K. This is not correct the reason is that the state of J & K has 8 major tribal/ethnic groups in it and they are the Jats, Rajput, Gujjar, Butt, Dar, Lone, Sudhan and Khatri. The APHC is made up of all Arabs. All the leaders are Geelani, Mirwais, Malik, Ansari etc.. these are all arabs and not ethnically Kashmiri. They cannot therefore represent the people of J & K. Further they are all from a limited region within J & K. They are more or less all from Sirinagar.

The best way for Kashmiri people to have a good future is for the real kashmiris to come forward and lead their nation to peace and prosperity away from Arabs whose only claim to power is that it is written in their books that the arabs have to rule and that is it. By denying the people of J&K their rights they are really destroying all hopes of kashmiris, which are not the same as theirs. hence Sayed Geelani being an arab prayed for his fellow arab Bin Laden after he was killed. He cannot therefore represent us the people of J&K.

Please go to AJK and see the election results, if they are fair, you can see no one votes for arabs. Because arabs represent only arabs and not us.

o — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jat punyal (talk • contribs) 11:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Untitled[edit]

Given the nature of Wikipedia the article was insufficiently objective, especially in light of the politically charged nature of the various facets of the Kashmir issue.

Also, on a personal note, I fail to see how accusations of corruption and subverting political capital for personal aims sets Hurriyat apart from most other political parties or entities within India and Pakistan.

Please note that the APHC claims to represent the Kashmiris but how many of their leaders are Kashmiris. Geelani, Mirwais, Ansari, Malik and many others are not even Kashmiris and hence they cannot speak for the 90% population who are Kashmiris. They are Arabs and even their party called APHC is named in Arabic and not in any language of J &K. They are notoriuosly corrupt and only nominate their own arab ethnic groups to travle to Pakistan for education. They only belive in their own interests and are hostile to Kashmiris especially non muslim Kashmiris who may not accept their view that they have a God given right to rule Kashmiris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.150.247 (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wording[edit]

Irrespective of whether article is objective or has adequate sources, it had curious phrases: A list like "like this, that, and the other" cannot end with a thoroughly general catch-all such as "etc." The "etc" in no way helps the reader. the "like" has already suggested that other unspecified groups may adhere. There were various missing and misplaced apostrophes. The sentence about a boycott was misconstructed.--SilasW 15:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs work[edit]

I made some changes to make it more NPOV and add some refs, but needs more work. Esp. about its actual history and operation. CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The section titled 'Alleged role of Pakistan'[edit]

The error is that Pakistan has a role in Kashmir and it has been negative as they have sub contracted that role to the APHC which is not representing Kashmiris. This is the reality it is not relevant what the lunatics like Geelani and Mirwais say the reality is that Kashmiris are not Arabs and reject their pan arab philosophy and racism. The APHC Geelani and Mirwaiz are trying to turn it is to arabia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.150.247 (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Im going to delete this section because it is little more than a POV rant. While wikipedia sadly continues to have these on some of its pages, this one goes just a little to far. For example "(Yasin Malik) in public he supports the return of Kashmiri Hindus back to the valley[17] but, 7,00,000 lakh minority Hindus ousted by his earlier genocidal pogrom don't believe his sincerity."

and

that the "entire state (of Kashmir)is Islamised like Arabia"

This section of the article also contains various factual errors. For example the assertion that the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front is an "Islamic Militant organisation" which fights for "an Islamic Nation of Darul Islam"

Lastly, the sources for this section dont even bear any relationship what so ever to even a modestly NPOV perspective. This is perhaps best illustrated by just under half of the sources being referenced to the website www.historyofjihad.org

I mean, come on, who do you think you are fooling?


Im going to delete it again and will continue doing this until cluebot or the person who can sort its complaints procedure out stops reverting the edit. I mean jesus, have you read the original? I have tried reporting that cluebot has made and error but it just dosnt work.

And its not vandalism either. so stop saying it is.

Right, now ive logged in. Will you please stop overturning m edit, or do you just like allowing Islamaphobic stuff to make it out onto the internet! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katanalder (talk • contribs) 00:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] 

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.142.230 (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That there are some parts that may warrant removal does not justify removing the entire section. Please cease this edit-warring behavior. Ncmvocalist (talk) 00:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, im glad we have agreed that some things dont belong there. But what does? How about we delete it so someone can actually write something more sensible that dosnt involve claiming some really absurd stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katanalder (talk • contribs) 01:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of it appears to be well sourced content so no, please restore the content and specify the sentences that you wish to remove - there is no reason to have removed the whole lot. Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the article. Please look below to find out why. I have taken out:

"Hurriyat is the main political front of Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front. Yasin Malik is the chairman of one of the two faction of JKLF, the chairman for other faction is Farooq Siddiqi (Farooq Papa)."

This is POV and is furthermore not referenced. The JKLF remains a small faction in the group and as can be seen by its committee does not exercise control over the group which would enable it to be used as a front.

"The Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), founded by Amanullah Khan and Maqbool Bhat, is a Kashmiri Muslim political organization founded in Birmingham, UK on May 29, 1977. Within a couple of years branches were established in several cities and towns of the UK; and also in several countries of Europe, USA and Middle East. In 1982 branches of this Islamic Militant organisation were established in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, Pakistan and in 1987 in Indian-administered Kashmir (Jammu & Kashmir) which shows it essential foreign origin. He started his movement for separation of Jammu & Kashmir from secular India as an Islamic Nation of Darul Islam while silent on freedom of Pakistan-administered Kashmir. In public he supports the return of Kashmiri Hindus back to the valley[1] but, 7,00,000 lakh minority Hindus ousted by his earlier genocidal pogrom don't believe his sincerity."

There are a number of reasons to remove this. Firstly, this is an article about the All Party Hurriyat, not person's viewpoint of the political history of the JKLF. If the writer wants to write about where the JKLF was founded, where its branches operate, or the JKLF's supposed foreign origin then its should clearly go on the JKLF page- not this one. Secondly, Amnuallah Khan is not in the Hurriyat Conference, therefore his attributed quote is irrelevant to this page. Thirdly, the point regarding the ethnic cleansing of the Pandit community is backed up by one website which clearly offers a NPOV discussion of the conflict. The figure is also disputed by various scholars on Kashmir including V. Hewitt, I also urge you to look at the Contemporary South Asia Journal 'Kashmir Special Edition' which discusses the numbers of Pandits who were ethnically cleansed.

"Meanwhile, elections were held in Indian Jammu & Kashmir, which brought up the popular Muslim leader Sheikh Abdullah, who with his party National Conference, by and large supported India. The elected Constituent Assembly met for the first time in Srinagar on October 31, 1951.[2] Then The State Constituent Assembly ratified the accession of the State to the Union of India on February 6, 1954 and the President of India subsequently issued the Constitution (Application to J&K) Order under Article 370 of the Indian Constitution extending the Union Constitution to the State with some exceptions and modifications. The State’s own Constitution came into force on January 26, 1957 under which the elections to the State Legislative Assembly were held for the first time on the basis of adult franchise the same year. This Constitution further reiterated the ratification of the State’s accession to Union of India.[2] However, these tidings were not recognized by Pakistan, which has continued to press for a plebiscite to ascertain the wishes of the people. Pakistan set up its own Kashmir, called Azad Kashmir in a tiny Western chunk that it controls. The much larger region of Pakistani Kashmir in the North-West, which was a province named Northern Areas in the erstwhile state, by and large bore no mention in Pakistani laws and Constitution as being of any status, until in 1982 the Pakistani President General Zia ul Haq proclaimed that the people of the Northern Areas were Pakistanis and had nothing to do with the State of Jammu and Kashmir.[3] The insurgency was, inter alia, targetting the Hindu Kashmiri Pandit minority like Jihad by Muslims on indigenous people of Serbia, Iran & Egypt.[4][5][6] They had to, therefore, leave the valley in a hurry, without taking all their belongings, hoping to return soon to their homes after things had 'settled down'; things never settled down & entire state Islamised like Arabia[7] where Islam first flourished, and the Kashmiri Hindu community is not feeling confident enough to return to settle down in the valley being targeted always."

This needs to go into a section regarding the history of Kashmiri politics. The All Party Hurriyat Conference has not existed for huge parts of the description offered and is thus irrelevant to the article.

"The violent Islamic insurgency has specifically targeted this minority and 300,000 have been murdered and 4,00,000 displaced along with gang rapes of 35,000 Kashmiri Hindu women like Islamic invasion of Iran[8] by the Muslims.[9] This has been condemned and labeled as ethnic cleansing in a 2006 resolution passed by the United States Congress.[10] Also in 2009 Oregon Legislative Assembly passed a resolution to recognize 14 September 2007, as Martyrs Day to acknowledge ethnic cleansing and campaigns of terror inflicted on non-Muslim minorities of Jammu and Kashmir by militants seeking to establish an Islamic state.[11] However according to CIA About 300,000 Kashmir Hindus (Pundits) in Indian Administered Kashmir valley are internally displaced in Kashmir specially in Udhampur & Jammu refugee camps and rest 1,00,000 in Delhi camps hoisted by Indian Government and UNO.[12] The ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits continues, with anti-Hindu threats made to them by militants as recently as 2009[13]"

This is completly POV, emotive, and the only source offered is clearly based around simply pushing a single perspective. It therefore fails as a reference under Wikipedia's own guidelines. It also does not draw the link between the actions described and the All Party Hurriyat Conference- vital for a page which is supposed to describe the group and its activities.

"He now lives in his new Bungalow in Maisuma, Srinagar and provide support to Kashmiri Separatism.[14]"

Whether he lives in a house, Bungalow, or clapped out Ford Mustang is irrelevant to an article on the All Party Hurriyat Conference.

I have offered plenty of examples now of why the previously inserted section in the article 'Allegations of Pakistan..." has little place in Wikipedia. If the same moderator again reverts my changes and puts the deleted sections back in then I can only conclude that he is moderating in the interests of a POV. Katanalder (talk) 16:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If material should be under another section, the response to that material is not to remove it. This is especially when you were blocked for edit-warring before. If you have concerns about POV passages or unreferenced passages, tag those particular sentences accordingly. Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.factusa.org/totalexhibit/board14.htm
  2. ^ a b "Major Events". Jammu and Kashmir Government, India. Retrieved 2007-01-09. Cite error: The named reference "Official J&K" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  3. ^ "A Comprehensive Note on Jammu & Kashmir: The Northern Areas". Embassy of India, Washington D.C. Retrieved 2007-01-09.
  4. ^ http://www.historyofjihad.com/serbia.html
  5. ^ http://www.historyofjihad.com/egypt.html
  6. ^ http://www.historyofjihad.com/iran.html
  7. ^ http://www.historyofjihad.org/arab.html
  8. ^ http://www.historyofjihad.org/persia.html
  9. ^ Pallone introduces resolution condemning Human rights violation against Kashmiri Pandits, United States House of Representatives, 2006-02-15
  10. ^ Expressing the sense of Congress that the Government of the Republic of India and the State Government of Jammu and Kashmir should take immediate steps to remedy the situation of Kashmiri Pandits and should act to ensure the physical, political, and economic security of this embattled community. HR Resolution 344, United States House of Representatives, 2006-02-15
  11. ^ Senate Joint Resolution 23, 75th OREGON LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY--2009 Regular Session
  12. ^ [1]
  13. ^ [2]
  14. ^ http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/international/meet-mrs-malik

Role in the politics of Kashmir[edit]

I have remove this section as it has no reference and was full of controversial facts. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You should read WP:VERIFY. A lot of the information removed seemed relevant and also easily verifiable. In that case, I am removing the ISI section too since it is uncited. Mar4d (talk) 11:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The {{Cn}} tag was already there. Since nobody added reliable sources, I removed it. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ellipsis[edit]

Could somebody please explain the purpose of the ellipsis to the end of opening paragraph? Thanks!

Mere Mortal (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in All Parties Hurriyat Conference[edit]

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Problems before Plebiscite section[edit]

@Human3015: I believe you are mostly responsible for the section titled "Problems before Plebiscite" from this edit onwards. I am afraid this section is highly WP:UNDUE, a serious case of WP:COATRACK. Hurriyat is mentioned only thrice in this huge section, and the majority of the content is the view of the Indian government, not the view of Hurriyat or any criticism of such view. I think it is best to leave this content in Kashmir conflict and briefly summarize it here. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very biased article - irrelevant and plagiarized from dodgy sources[edit]

Second paragraph is randomly positioned and irrelevant. It also does not provide the context of 2010 riots following the extra-judicial murder of 3 innocent people by the Indian occupation army. It is also taking lines verbatim from an Indian newspaper which is plagiarism.

First paragraph of "history" incorrectly and very irresponsibly calls the Kashmiri rebellion as 'terrorist violence'. It does nothing to identify AFSPA draconian powers and is libelous in that it calls Yasin Malik (a respected politician and former rebel) and his political party Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front as a "terrorist outfit". It also attempts to call all political parties under the Hurriyat Umbrella as "Islamist" outfits.

The whole article is full of such incorrect and libelous falsehoods and biased propaganda. The article itself reads like a propaganda piece.

My attempts to bring balance to this article by edits were undone by a moderator named "Human3015" - who is quite obviously bent on propagating Indian establishment propaganda.— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Righteous Left (talk • contribs)

  • @The Righteous Left: Hi, firstly, I am not moderator, I am just an editor like you. But I have spent much more time than you on Wikipedia so I have some knowledge of various policies of Wikipedia. Regarding your edits, we don't use word's like "Indian Occupied Kashmir" in any article neither we use "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir". Whatever edits you made are unsourced. Whatever you are writing, tell us, in which reliable newspaper these things are written? You are just writing whatever you like without providing any source.--Human3015TALK  10:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Human3015: Thanks for your reply and for clarifying. I actually did provide a source which you removed: in the second paragraph where I added the context for extra-judicial killing in fake encounters. However I will take your advice and provide sources for all future edits. Also "kashmir herald" is hardly a credible source given that it's a mouthpiece of a Pandit organization. --The_Righteous_LeftTALK  10:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You did not provide any source, what source you provided was the link of another Wikipedia article. We don't use Wikipedia as source. We must use independent books or newspapers as source.--Human3015TALK  10:54, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Righteous Left: I might also add that, if you do a mix of good and bad edits, all of them are likely to get reverted together. You can however separate the good edits from the bad and reinstate the good ones.
On the matter of Kashmir Herald, the requirements are that the newspaper should be "mainstream." See WP:NEWSORG. Biased sources are allowed (WP:BIASED), but the balance can be obtained by using a variety of different sources and searching for consensus among them. When there is no consensus, WP:NPOV requires that all the views should be represented. This might seem all too complicated to a new editor, but unfortunately Kashmir is a complicated subject. So, please familiarise yourself with all the policies, which we have posted on your talk page. - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:39, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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History section[edit]

I deleted the history section. It was copy-paste copyright violation. The final part about USIP also seemed particularly out of place here. I'll repost the section's refs below, if someone wants to rebuild the section:

  • <ref name="kashmirherald1"/>
  • <ref name="outlookindia.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?214469 |title=www.outlookindia.com - |publisher= |accessdate=1 April 2015 |deadurl=yes |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20150402142850/http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?214469 |archivedate=2 April 2015 }}</ref>
  • <ref name="kashmirforum.org">{{cite web|url=http://www.kashmirforum.org/the-political-education-of-hurriyat.htm |title=::: Kashmir Forum ::: Kashmir, Jammu and Kashmir, Greater Kashmir, Gulmarg, Gilgit, Azad Kashmir |publisher= |accessdate=1 April 2015 |deadurl=yes |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304110246/http://www.kashmirforum.org/the-political-education-of-hurriyat.htm |archivedate=4 March 2016 }}</ref>
  • <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010502/edit.htm|title=The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Editorial|publisher=|accessdate=1 April 2015}}</ref>

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