Talk:Amhara people/Archive 3
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The source for the statement "The Amhara people are considered heirs of the Aksumsite Empire" is [48] (Steven Danver, Native Peoples of the World", p.15).
- Change the sentence "Amharas are a Semitic-speaking ethnic group which is indigenous to Ethiopia" to "Amharas are a Semitic-speaking ethnic group indigenous to Ethiopia that trace their ancestry to the founders of the Empire of Aksum. (Sources: St. Petersburg Journal of African Studies. Russia, Izd-vo Evropeĭskogo doma, St. Petersburg Association of Scientists, 1993. (p.97); Shack, William A.. The Central Ethiopians, Amhara, Tigriňa and Related Peoples: North Eastern Africa Part IV. United Kingdom, Taylor & Francis, 2017.
- Add Melaku Worede (the Ethiopian scientist) under "notable Amhara people" (he's the son of well-known Amhara nobles) 2601:140:9481:F7A0:614B:337D:8887:9571 (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- The first source has been discussed here (Danver literally stated that the Amhara people are considered the heirs of Axumite Empire). The other two sources you listed also support the content in the article and will be added to the list of sources provided in this talk page as well (including Danver et al...). Let me try to find links for the last two.Petra0922 (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- . A third editor confirmed existence of more than adequete sources for the disputed content and said,
Yes, Amhara-dominated Abyssinia construed a position of heirdom of Aksum, and manifested this in hagiographies, genealogies and epics. This fact is easily sourced.
. Edits were made accordingly to the existing content in the article. Petra0922 (talk) 18:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)- I think I have made it crystal clear that I object to using phrases like "the Amhara as Aksum's rightful heir" etc. in Wikivoice. This is based on the perspective from Amhara hagiography, but it's not something of an objective nature. Several sources are explicit about the fact that this is a claim since the times of the Solomonic dynasty. –Austronesier (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- It seems similar terminologies ("authentic carriers", "successors"...) have already been used in articles that mention Aksum and Tigrayans as its "heirs." What do you think the better approch be to help resolving any possible ambiguity. Sorces repeatedly and directly stated the term although its current day implication is unclear.Petra0922 (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- "Amhara-dominated Abyssinia construed a position of heirdom of Aksum". It's the "construed" part that is easily sourced, and shouldn't be left out. –Austronesier (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Certainly interesting perspective! I think considering the controversies in Aksum's succession, it may not be a bad idea to initiate similar discussions in the related articles where Tigray is claimed as the default heir. Studies of the sources raise many questions on the modern-day Tigray versus the legitimate ancient ethnic group/s while signifying, in my understanding the position of the Amhara in the Aksumite Kingdom. Petra0922 (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- "Amhara-dominated Abyssinia construed a position of heirdom of Aksum". It's the "construed" part that is easily sourced, and shouldn't be left out. –Austronesier (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- It seems similar terminologies ("authentic carriers", "successors"...) have already been used in articles that mention Aksum and Tigrayans as its "heirs." What do you think the better approch be to help resolving any possible ambiguity. Sorces repeatedly and directly stated the term although its current day implication is unclear.Petra0922 (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- I think I have made it crystal clear that I object to using phrases like "the Amhara as Aksum's rightful heir" etc. in Wikivoice. This is based on the perspective from Amhara hagiography, but it's not something of an objective nature. Several sources are explicit about the fact that this is a claim since the times of the Solomonic dynasty. –Austronesier (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Israel
How are the there 170k Amharas in israel? This is the amount of the Falasha(Beta israel)ethnic group. There is no source whatsoever that say the amount of Amhara in Israel. Ldyey272 (talk) 10:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)