Talk:Andy Maddocks

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prod removal[edit]

I'm removing the prod on this page. Mainly because I feel that I can address the concerns listed:

significant coverage not found in reliable sources. Fails WP:NMUSIC

Let's first look at the first concern- that there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. In WP:N, 'significant coverage' is defined as "sources [that] address the subject directly in detail, so no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material." It also mentions such coverage needs to be in sources that are "independent of the subject" or,

[not] works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc

And so, I've sifted through all the Andy Maddocks' that google has to offer and I've found several "more than trivial" mentions of Maddocks at discogs, epm-musiconline, and a more scant mentioning at last.fm. It is my belief that these links do address the subject directly, and that each of these websites above is "independent of the subject." I'm going to add these links to the article to help it gain the notability it once lacked.

The next concern in much more straightforward: the article apparently fails WP:NMUSIC. This i feel is untrue on two major levels. As a member of the musical project Gescom, Maddocks qualifies as a musician aside from his role as the founder of his label (more on that in a second). From the section on musicians and ensembles we find this:

A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: ... Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

Gescom happens to a) be an ensemble and b) contain two or more independently notable musicians, in this case Darrell Fitton and Russell Haswell. However, there is more to it: just above the criterion involving two or more other musicians we see this:

Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

Here is where Skam records comes into play. Maddocks, though Gescom, released several albums via his label (Skam), which incidentally qualifies as "one of the more important indie labels" because it has both the "long" history (being founded in 1990) and a line up of notable acts (see the artile on skam records).

I'm going to add this information the the article, so help clarify the notability and ensure that this wont happen again. cheers, Ryan shell (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know that any of those links will help establish the notability of the subject. None of them have any biographical information whatsoever, beyond a mention of his name. Significant coverage means more than just a mention of the name.  –Joshua Scott 02:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Birth date[edit]

The 28 November birth date was added in 2017 by a long-term vandal - see User:John of Reading/28 November. This birth date was in the article for almost two years, so could easily have been copied elsewhere by people using Wikipedia as their source. Unless there's a reliable source that pre-dates the 2017 edit, or very good evidence from Maddocks himself, I suggest that the article should not mention this date. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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