Talk:Anglophone Crisis/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Indy beetle (talk · contribs) 05:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Might be a few days. As an initial comment, the lead could be expanded to give a better summary of the article. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• "UN Resolution 1608" has no introduction, so we do not know to what it refers, and the current link involves a resolution dealing with China, not Cameroon. Was this a Security Council resolution?

Good point. This part was imported from a different article, and I should have done some more thorough research. I've removed any mention of said resolution for now, and might revisit this topic at a later occassion. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• In a memorandum dated 20 March 1985, Anglophone lawyer and President of the Cameroon Bar Association Fon Gorji Dinka wrote that the Biya government This is the first mention of Biya, and it needs to be stated that he is President, his name needs to be given in full, and he needs to be linked. No need to repeat Paul Biya's full name after its first mention. Aslo, seeing as Biya has been around for such a long time, if his particular style of governance, especially concerning the legitimacy of elections, has been driving some of the grievances this should be made explicit.

Link fixed. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• On March 23, 1997, about ten people were killed in a raid on a gendarme camp in Bamenda. The police arrested between 200 and 300 people, mostly SCNC supporters, but also members of the SDF. SDF should be mentioned in full the first time it is mentioned.

Done. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• Is there a page number for ref 32, Carlson Anyangwe's Betrayal of Too Trusting a People: The UN, the UK, and the Trust Territory of the Southern Cameroons?

Not that I can find. Might look for a less biased source too. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Any progress on that? -Indy beetle (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: I forgot to monitor this page, my apologies. I just replaced the book source with an article from The New Humanitarian that states that the SCNC was banned in 2001 following clashes with the police. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• They saw this as threatening the common law system in the Anglophone regions Link common law.

Done. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• On September 9, 2017, the Ambazonia Governing Council formally deployed the Ambazonia Defence Forces (ADF) in Southern Cameroons. The governing council needs an introduction, such as when it was established and for what purpose.

Done; Kept it a bit short, might revisit. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• Interim Government of Ambazonia also needs an introduction

Done, same as above. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• The separatists had also spread out, and by the end of the year, they were active in five divisions. As in, there were five military divisions? Or administrative areas?

Good point. Clarified with link. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• 2018 started off with a major setback for the separatists. MOS generally advises against starting a sentence with numerals.

Fixed. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• September 9, 50 or more separatists successfully carried out three coordinated attacks on multiple targets in Oku, burning down the police station, destroying the Assistant DO's belongings District Officer?

Fixed. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• The Interim Government of Ambazonia demanded that the Cameroonian government account for the missing inmates, threatening to impose a lockdown if it failed to do so. A lockdown in Southern Cameroons?

Clarified. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• The government has fired and replaced local administrators who fled from the region, despite their valid fears of kidnappings. "Valid" here... make sure not to make judgement in Wikipedia voice.

Fixed - thanks for pointing this one out. This is why it's always great to have several editors working actively on an article - even with the most sincere effort, biases are sometimes inevitable. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• May saw the Anglophone Crisis get unprecedented international attention. This isn't really stated in the sources, seems like WP:Synth.

Fixed, same as above. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• In June, the separatists announced that they had started producing their own weapons on ground zero. What is ground zero referring to in this sense? In the warzone?

Changed. Sources have mostly referred to it as ground zero rather than the warzone, but the latter is probably a better term. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• There is photographic evidence that shows a consistent policy of burning down villages. Who's policy? The government? Also more of a "strategy" than a "policy".

Good point; fixed. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• No need to repeat peoples names in full once they've been introduced, and make sure not to overlink people or organisations.

Given the length of the article, this can be a tricky one. I will keep an eye out for this one, although I do feel that overlinking is better than underlinking (for the sake of convenience for the reader). Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• Smaller paragraphs could use some consolidation.

• • Conclusion: The article was comprehensive at the time it was submitted for GAn, but this is an ongoing conflict with breaking news every few weeks (I just did a search and found more news about things like new US trade restrictions which haven't been included here), and thus I don't think it's possible to nail down a satisfactory overview of the situation without it being overtaken by new events. The fact that most of this topic's sources are news articles also present another issue, in that information is presented in fragments and must be woven together without WP:SYTNH. Comments like "The separatists suffered a major setback at the beginning of 2018" which, although likely true, but not explicitly stated in the sources demonstrate how difficult this is. And because it is hard for us to determine which events are most significant on our own without the guidance of a scholarly book or journal article, we end up with essentially proseline paras that describe every major and minor bombing, clash, raid, etc.. We also have only minimal information on things like government strategy or atrocities, since that often requires more longterm analyses from scholars and is not usually given adequate context in breaking news reports. The nom did their best but I think it's simply not possible to get a stable yet broadly comprehensive on an article about a country's ongoing internal conflict. Sadly, I'll have to fail this one. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Thank you for taking the time to assess the article, and thanks for your feedback. Your conclusion pretty much spelled out my own thoughts and concerns since I started working on this article. Relying almost solely on news stories has its limitations, and as you said, it's difficult to turn this into proper prose without resorting to some level of original research. Let's hope that scholarly literature on this war is not many years away; until then, I will do my best to keep this article balanced and updated. Thanks again and cheers! Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 11:18, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Material copied to another Wikipedia page

Material from this article has been copied to the Wikipedia page 2010s political history.Michael E Nolan (talk) 18:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)