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I actually cannt possibly figure why the link for Wikisource does not work! Dahn 12:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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China's keeping me from getting to ngram or Google Scholar but it seems exceedingly dubious that this guy's COMMON ENGLISH name is a traditional Latinized first name followed by a modern transliterated Russian surname. It's almost certainly either Antioch Cantemir (Anglicized), Antiochus Cantemir (Latinized), or some form of Antioch Kantemir (Russian).

His name is also exactly the same as his uncle, who we've forked to Antioh Cantemir because he stayed in Romania. It might be best to just have all the various names point to a dab and then distinguish between the two of them (possibly by dates or as Antioch Cantemir, Prince of Russia, and Antioch Cantemir, Prince of Moldavia, but it might be the case that all the Anglicized and Latinized forms of the name are only used for the scholar. Needs looking into. — $Llywelyn II$ 01:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There were such attempts in the past. I found the 2008 move to the Latinized first name rather odd. "Prince of Russia" is a meaningless combination of words, however. Something along the lines of Leo Tolstoy, Count of Russia or Alphonse de Sade, Marquis of France. Antioch Cantemir (poet) and Antioch Cantemir (voivode) is a more reasonable solution. --Ghirla^-трёп- 04:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Or Antioch Kantemir for the poet/diplomat and Antioch Cantemir (voivode) for his uncle, as the nephew seems to be better known than the uncle. --Ghirla^-трёп- 04:46, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]