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A fact from Arc (web browser) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 July 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Arc lets people vandalize websites?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Arc lets people vandalize websites? Source: https://www.engadget.com/the-arc-internet-browser-lets-you-customize-or-vandalize-any-website-130010555.html
- ALT1: ... that Arc's boosts let people redesign how they see websites? Source: https://www.engadget.com/the-arc-internet-browser-lets-you-customize-or-vandalize-any-website-130010555.html
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ to come

Created by Schminnte (talk). Self-nominated at 15:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Arc (browser); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and well sourced. The hook is cited and interesting ~~but the word "vandalism" doesn't appear in the article.~~ If that's added, I would lean towards ALT0 although both hooks are good. QPQ pending. BuySomeApples (talk) 07:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hook cited, qpq will be done later today (bit busy today). Thanks for the review! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples: QPQ is now done at Template:Did you know nominations/Guts (Olivia Rodrigo album). Is this good to go? Schminnte (talk • contribs) 21:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work @Schminnte: I rephrased the vandalism line slightly just for sentence flow. This hook seems good to go! BuySomeApples (talk) 02:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Smells like an ad[edit]

This article reads less like an informative piece about the browser and more like an advertisement. 2600:4040:A3C4:EB00:4D89:2A80:7B84:C27C (talk) 13:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can assure you that was not my attention while writing this. Could you point out where you think the article has an advertorial feel? Schminnte (talk • contribs) 01:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not OP, but I felt the same immediately when I read it. It advertises features that have been present in browsers since decades, like picking the colors, and also points out no negative point, although the elefant in the room is obviously the closed-source-ness, which is a big negative point, especially in critical applications like browsers. especially in a market where 70% of the market share belongs to open source browsers. The article doesn't feel balanced imo. Wobfan (talk) 12:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Publicly available?[edit]

The way the first paragraph is written, one might assume that the browser is no longer in private beta, e.g.: publicly available. However, visiting https://arc.net/, there is only a link to "join the waitlist", but no button to download anything. Is there a version publicly available elsewhere, or does the initial paragraph require rephrasing? HuGo_87 (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the paragraph "Production and release", it describes how the browser had previously underwent a closed beta before being opened to the public via invites. All the best, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 15:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As of right now, there are public releases to download for iOS (via. Apple App Store) and macOS (via. their website). From what I'm aware, the only "waitlist" I can see is for their Windows version (if you visit the website on a Windows machine or (even though they don't have Linux planned at least for now) a Linux machine) Kirbix12 (talk) 17:11, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

C++ mention is odd.[edit]

This line:

"...Microsoft Windows (Closed Limited Beta,^[1] built in Swift rather than C++^[2])."

Makes little sense as to why it mention C++ at all. It sort of implies the default language for Windows development or historically for Arc was C++, which isn't true in both cases. The cited source does the same thing with no source or context. Looking into it I see there is actually a tweet from the CEO saying it won't be in C# but rather Swift. That actually makes some sense since .NET and C# are basically the de-facto stack for Windows applications. I would guess the journalist just tried to parrot that without understanding or noticing the difference. In either case, C++ shouldn't be there, I think.

https://twitter.com/joshm/status/1588541600720113666

^ "Arc Browser for Windows beta invites are finally being sent out". Neowin. 2023-12-15. Retrieved 2023-12-15.
^ Callaham, John (19 May 2023). "The team behind the Arc browser gives an update on its upcoming Windows version". Neowin. Archived from the original on 25 June 2023. Retrieved 24 June 2023.

104.205.80.35 (talk) 07:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism section[edit]

@FaviFake: I have reinstated the criticism section about the account requirement. The RS included were written knowing well it was a closed beta, and we don't censor negative opinions. If they think it's unreasonable to require an account even during a closed beta stage, it will be reflected in the article as-is. We don't speculate on why they did it. The publication time of the article is not relevant either, given that the material fact has not changed. NM 08:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Arc Browser for Windows beta invites are finally being sent out". Neowin. 2023-12-15. Retrieved 2023-12-15.

[:8-2] Callaham, John (19 May 2023). "The team behind the Arc browser gives an update on its upcoming Windows version". Neowin. Archived from the original on 25 June 2023. Retrieved 24 June 2023.

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