Talk:Art of Life

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Partly based on Schubert's 8th symphony?[edit]

I've listened to both "Art of Life" and Schubert's 8th symphony, and I don't see any similarities between the two. I believe that some sort of reference should be given to back this claim up, as the relationship between these two pieces is not inherently obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.109.29.124 (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the 5 star review?[edit]

I believe this review should be removed, or more added. The reviewer states that the band is his all time favourite and in this way the review is heavily biased, badly weighted and the high rating being given on a fan level, therefore the 5 star rating on this Wiki page is both misleading and star-struck - two things that should not be here. Especially as it is the ONLY review featured.

Controversial piano solo?[edit]

How exactly does a piano solo come to be controversial? Ric | opiaterein 19:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy There has been several different opinions regarding the meaning and purpose of the piano solo. I think it justifies it as being controversial.Himurakenshin 03:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube links[edit]

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 06:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent cleanups[edit]

Several recent changes had to be reverted:

  • As the article on extended plays states, we're dealing with an album at a runtime longer than 25 minutes. Art of Life therefore qualifies as an album.
  • The LyricWiki link did not work, somebody knowledgeable of that template should re-insert it.
  • The information regarding the album's creative process and credits was unsourced and lacked proper grammar and spelling. This kind of contitbutions does not improve an article.

Also, any controversial edits should be discussed, that's what these talk pages are for. - Cyrus XIII 19:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • As the article on extended plays states, we're dealing with an album at a runtime longer than 25 minutes. Art of Life therefore qualifies as an album.
Ok, but the band always said that was an EP.
  • The information regarding the album's creative process and credits was unsourced and lacked proper grammar and spelling. This kind of contitbutions does not improve an article.
Ok, I know it's unsourced but it's TRUE!! Ok, now I'm going to delete all the Dir en Grey article there's no sources about the history! =O I know a lot about X Japan you can see the spanish article it's all written by me, and it's true that Yoshiki started writting the song after recovering from injuries during the Rose & Blood tour, and yes there's a version recorded with Taiji, do I have to put the whole song here?, and the credits, come on! I have the album and if you see at the back you'll see the credits! and about the article of the live version the credits are also at the back. And if you see that the grammar is bad so fix it!! Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia!! I know that my enlgish is not good but please don't delete what I put!! Writre it in another way or correct it, but don't delete!! Thanks, take care Darkcat21 19:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please calm down. You might want to consider that the use of multiple exclamation marks and capital letters does little to strengthen your point, same goes for re-implementing the disputed material without waiting for a discussion to take its course and/or providing citations. I do not want this to turn into an edit war, so I have put in for a third opinion on the matter. - Cyrus XIII 21:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold for inclusion here is not truth, it is verifiability. Just being TRUE!! is not enough, it needs to have a citation. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 21:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I can put citations from interviews from Yoshiki and book released by the band, but just know that that is part of the X Japan history and it's a thing we all know and it's true, because of this we also need a citation that the band was disbanded in 1997, where is it? Darkcat21 22:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, without a citation I have no way of verifiying if they really disbanded in 1997. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Darkcat21, the link you provided does not lead to the official site of X Japan's former vocalist (if that is what "Toshi official website" is meant to imply). Also, the text found in this "source" is almost entirely in Japanese. As stated by WP:V, English language sources are prefered, as most readers and fellow contributors have no way of knowing whether this page actually backs up your claims or not. - Cyrus XIII 23:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Responding to WP:3O request:
The content additions made in the past couple days are clearly unsourced. As WP:CITE says, "Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor." I went ahead and reverted to the version prior to these content additions to prevent anyone running afoul of the three-revert rule. Cheers! Simões (talk/contribs) 23:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How to Source[edit]

Uhm, I own what I believe to be an official dvd release of the Art of Life concert. Inside is a pamphlet (in japanese and english) which confirms a fair amount of the creative process within. How exactly would I cite that, if I were to get my hands back on said dvd? Vespertilio 18:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but instead you cite that Cyrus will delete it, try this WP:FN and just copy the words from the book and voilà, just look at the book who wrote it or cite as X Japan OFFICIAL biography. Darkcat21 20:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No offense, but I am not sure whether you should be handing out advice regarding references. After all, that request for comment has been filed against you for citation-related reasons, among other things. And what exactly are you suggesting here? To cite information under an arbitrary "official biography" label instead of precisely stating its origin? - Cyrus XIII 21:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, you're saying that I can't help people? You're banning me or whatever? It's yor problem if you don't have enough money to buy that official book and check the info written by staff from the band. Darkcat21 18:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this is more suited to proceed on the talk page of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Darkcat21. - Cyrus XIII 21:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Song Length?[edit]

The version of the song I have is 34:09 and the piano solo is more like 13 minutes long compared to the "29 minutes" and the "eight minutes performed solely on piano." I also own the official DVD which is the same version as the mp3 I own. Can I ask where the 29 and 8 minute numbers came from?Badymaru 23:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The live recording clocks about 34 minutes, while the studio version is about 29 minutes long. - Cyrus XIII 23:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The 8 minute number comes from the Radio Edit of Art of Life Xatticus, 09:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genre[edit]

At January 6th (Diff link) an unregistered user saw fit to change the genre from "Progressive metal | Speed metal" to "Symphonic rock". It is my personal opinion that putting music into genres is very highly a subjective matter but by comparing Art of Life with the examples on the two aforementioned genres and then with "Symphonic rock" I believe that the change was unnecessary and to the worse. Thus I revert it for now, which should be better unless I've missed something. 213.238.233.27 (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I would add things like "Progressive Metal" ("Power Metal" implies a bit the speedy element), though. Also I can't understand the meaning of Visual Kei... Isn't it only an esthetic thing concerning the manner of appearing?? How is music influenced by this? --94.36.216.3 (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with Visual Key either, considering that it is a style, and not exactly a rock variant. Also, although this song doesn't sound like Nightwish, Within Tempatation, After Forever and etc, I think symphonic metal is the genre that best describes the album, because of all the orchestration work and the fast solos/heavy guitar riffs. Victão Lopes I hear you... 18:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 28th, 2008[edit]

I removed "but was cut short when Yoshiki collapsed mid-way through the song"

because Yoshiki got through his part of the song fine, more or less, even with his collapse at the conclusion. It was a 15 minute version of the song where the middle piano solo stuff was cut out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.101.98 (talk) 01:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This would imply that the finale after the piano solo was played, which it wasn't. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 01:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, they had intended to play the full version, because on the last Tokyo Dome show (March 30th), they played Art of Life basically from the point where Yoshiki collapsed to the end. Xatticus 09:09, 09 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.212.96.26 (talk) [reply]

Song Structure and Analysis[edit]

Could anyone rewrite this section properly? It is not bad at all, but it sounds a little too emotional for an encyclopedic analysis. Besides, those titles like "Glimpse of Hope", "Hope", "Internal Conflict" and "Live On" should be replaced by something more "technical" like the other ones. Also, understanding the piano solo as a representation of an "internal conflict" is something highly subjetive. Editors should refrain from publishing such interpretations. Victão Lopes I hear you... 00:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Text[edit]

Consider adding lyrics of the song

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