Talk:Arthur Ducat

Adequate paraphrasing

Please review and compare some of the paragraphs in the article (e.g., Arthur Ducat#Early life and career ) and compare them to the given citation ( http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/acducatsr.htm ). Is the paraphrasing in the article adequate for avoiding possible copyright issues? Pknkly (talk) 05:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the article from a copyright point of view, and I agree that it is too close to the original text at the source. Unfortunately, alteration of sources is not sufficient to avoid infringement - all articles must be completely original, or it may constitute derivative work, which requires the permission of the copyright holder. Please compare, for example, the following:

Source article: Arthur C. Ducat was educated at private schools in his native city, and at the age of nineteen years came to America with the intention of becoming a civil engineer. He pursued that profession for some years on important railroad lines and other public works.

Our article: Young Ducat was educated at private schools, and at the age of nineteen came to Chicago, Illinois, to become a civil engineer. He worked for several years for local railroad lines and other public works.

Source article: ...and organized, drilled and disciplined the Citizens' Fire Brigade, a semi-military and armed body of citizens. Their duties were to attend fires and save and guard property and life [...] resolved to abolish the old "volunteer" fire department and introduce a new one in its place on a paid and disciplined basis, employing steam fire-engines. He was obliged to protect the first engines brought to Chicago from the demonstrations and attacks of mobs, incited by the bad element of the volunteer department..."

Our artice: Among his interests was in organizing, drilling and disciplining the Citizens' Fire Brigade, an armed body of citizen militia that also fought fires. He abolished the old "volunteer" fire department and introduced a paid and disciplined company that used new steam fire-engines. He protected the first engines brought to Chicago from the demonstrations and attacks of mobs, incited by the bad element of the old volunteer fire department.

A similar pattern continues throughout the article, which will need to be completely rewritten to avoid infringement. It will be listed for seven days, after which time it could be deleted, if the problems haven't been addressed. – Toon^(talk) 12:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to rewrite the article! I am no longer very active on Wikipedia because of heavy business travel and lack of time. THe old file is apparently gone, so I cannot simply rephrase it. 8th Ohio Volunteer Infantry (talk) 14:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Subject certainly passes the notability bar, and the sources themselves seem reliable, so I've stubified the page in the appropriate talk subspace, leaving all the persondata, cats, and otherwise useful links. Only the introduction has been left as text. This can now be rebuilt from scratch without losing much of the pagespace's acquired attributes. BusterD (talk) 12:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Attribution

Creative text in this article was contributed entirely by User:8th Ohio Volunteers. Some other elements, such as templates, were placed by other persons. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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