Talk:Asabiyyah

Asabiyyah is sometimes spelled "asabiyya," so that search term should be redirected to this page. I don't know how to do that though.

Transliteration[edit]

The spellings asabiyyah and 'asabiyyah are both used in this article. I am not an "Arabist", but I assume that those would be prounounced differently. I suspect that some of these spellings might be a problem with Wikipedia's markup conventions for formatting italic and bold text ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page#Character_formatting ). -- 201.19.93.178 10:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an Arabist either (and I doubt you're watching after two years), but you're right -- the apostrophe is a glottal stop, which suggests that the three-consonant root for 'asabiyyah is '-s-b. However, that the transliteration is off is no surprise; Arabic transliterations into English are flatly inconsistent. Subcontinental Muslims in England use "Darul Uloom" for what should be "Dar al-'Ulum", and "U" and "O" (Muhammad/Mohammed, Muslim/Moslem) appear to refer to the same vowel. Perhaps a standard will develop someday (hopefully a better standard than pinyin), but in the meantime, I agree that just making another redirect is the right thing to do. ExOttoyuhr (talk) 04:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a university student minoring in Modern Standard Arabic and I actually think the transliteration in the article is a little misleading. The first letter of عصبيّة is actually an ع ('ayn') that can be transliterated using the character '3'—it's NOT a glottal stop (though the two different letters look similar in some contexts so I understand the confusion!) that would be transliterated using an apostrophe. However, in English we don't have the 'ayn' sound so I don't know how to appropriately transcribe it for the layperson. Transliteration doesn't appear to be standardized yet for Arabic, even after more than a decade since your original post haha. Kmk-0112 (talk) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever the right spelling, it should surely be used consistently throughout the article. I came here only to learn how to spell it, and left none the wiser. 'h' or no 'h'? Let us pick one. LastDodo (talk) 13:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Examples[edit]

I propose deletion of this section, it is entirely unsourced.Daffodillman (talk) 08:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Untidy and unsourced[edit]

Ibn Khaldun referred to asabiyyah within dynasties. He never referred to civilizations, which are a different thing. Equally, a civilization is completely the opposite of a nomadic society. Not deleting but will reshape this and source it soon. Crawiki (talk) 16:18, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]