Talk:Asinara

Asinara was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 16, 2005	Good article reassessment	Delisted
March 2, 2009	Good article nominee	Not listed
November 29, 2011	Good article nominee	Not listed
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 2, 2009. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Italian island of Asinara (pictured) is inhabited by a wild population of albino donkeys?
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Rating[edit]

At the time someone added this to the a "Good articles", it was clearly marked a stub; to be a Good article, the candidate must not be a stub. For that reason, I have delisted it. -- llywrch 22:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I'll get started on making it GA!

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Asinara/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Well-written: The article needs a good copyedit. It isn't consistent in its use of units. The infobox contains spelled out units and instances where imperial units are left out. Also, the lead says the island is 51 square kilometers when the sources clearly state something else. If you decide to round off, it should be rounded up, but I prefer just giving the correct number. The lead is an accurate summary of what's currently in the article, but as stated below, I think it should be expanded. The West coast is "always either flat or uneven" (with this sentence you covered all possible outcomes, making it a useless description. Later on you mention "a vegetation of wood" which is odd considering the earlier comment on a lack of trees. In general, the main body of the article contains several repetitions of information that hinder the flow of the narrative (especially the history section). When I read the sources, I got the feeling several sections were copied literally the phrase about the donkeys "reproducing in freedom" was literally taken from the source.
Factually accurate and verifiable:
"Italian for "Donkey-inhabited" but its name comes from Latin "Sinuaria" and means sinus-shaped island" None of the sources appear to cover this and they say the albino donkeys give the island its name, but the word "donkey-inhabited" is never mentioned; the island could also be named after that specific breed of donkey.

Two of the sources appear to be closely related with one being a copy of the other. I'd recommend finding books or articles about the island to add to the list.
Coverage: I'm left with all sorts of questions when I read the article. The article states the island is home to several unusual animals but only mentions the donkeys. it doesn't go into detail about the scrub vegetation and it also doesn't mention where the 700 inhabitants come from. The original people who lived there were moved when the jail was in working order, so when it closed, did they come back, do the people who worked there still live on the island? Also, where on the island do they live? Are they spread around or do they live together in settlements? 49 miles of the 62 mile coastline is protected. What are the non-protected areas? Swimming is allowed on only 3 beaches are those the 3 sand beaches or do they include rock beaches? The article also doesn't provide any coverage of any famous buildings or monuments on the island. It says there is a prison, but doesn't go into architectural detail about it and I'd be interested to know what the structure on File:Asinara-Island01.jpg is.
Neutral: No problems here.
Stable: No obvious problems.
Illustrations: All the image copyrights check out.

As a whole I don't think the coverage and writing are sufficiently developed to grant GA status. Since solving the issues I found takes a lot of time, I don't putting it on hold would help. Sorry!- Mgm|^(talk) 09:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are a lot of inconsistent, sometimes contradictory, statements in there as of this writing. A concerted effort would be needed to work those out. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To help anyone trying to improve this article, here are the points of the GA review, formed as a Checklist:

~~It isn't consistent in its use of units.~~

I think I've fixed all of the inconsistencies of units. PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~The infobox contains spelled out units and instances where imperial units are left out.~~

This appears to already be fixed PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~The lead says the island is 51 square kilometers when the sources clearly state something else. If you decide to round off, it should be rounded up, but I prefer just giving the correct number.~~

I've kept (but corrected) the rounding of the area, as the two sources give conflicting values (51.5 & 51.9 km²). PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Expand lead.
~~The West coast is "always either flat or uneven" (with this sentence you covered all possible outcomes, making it a useless description.~~

This appears to already be fixed PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Later on you mention "a vegetation of wood" which is odd considering the earlier comment on a lack of trees.

This has been reworded ("characterizes the island landscape together with the woody vegetation"), but not clarified. PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In general, the main body of the article contains several repetitions of information that hinder the flow of the narrative (especially the history section).
I got the feeling several sections were copied literally the phrase about the donkeys "reproducing in freedom" was literally taken from the source.

This particular phrase has been removed, but the problem may still stand PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source for "Italian for "Donkey-inhabited" but its name comes from Latin "Sinuaria" and means sinus-shaped island"
Two of the sources appear to be closely related with one being a copy of the other. - Find more
~~The article states the island is home to several unusual animals but only mentions the donkeys~~

Several examples of fauna are now given PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~it doesn't go into detail about the scrub vegetation~~

Several examples of flora are now given PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

it also doesn't mention where the 700 inhabitants come from. The original people who lived there were moved when the jail was in working order, so when it closed, did they come back, do the people who worked there still live on the island? Also, where on the island do they live? Are they spread around or do they live together in settlements?

The population is now one. However, that raises another question: Who is he, and why does he live there alone? Is he a caretaker or ranger of some kind, a researcher or some belligerent old resident who refused to leave when it became a national park? PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

49 miles of the 62 mile coastline is protected. What are the non-protected areas?
Swimming is allowed on only 3 beaches are those the 3 sand beaches or do they include rock beaches?
The article also doesn't provide any coverage of any famous buildings or monuments on the island. It says there is a prison, but doesn't go into architectural detail about it and I'd be interested to know what the structure on File:Asinara-Island01.jpg is.

I've crossed off all the points that I think have already been dealt with (either by me or a predecessor)PRB (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sinus-shaped?[edit]

What does "sinus-shaped" mean? Which article at sinus should that word link to? Ntsimp (talk) 17:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So if it's anal sinuses, then it's "ass-shaped" either way, LOL! Ntsimp (talk) 18:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

|:-> ResMar 18:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sinus (anatomy) is probably the best link. Sinus-shaped is generally taken to mean a bay, pocket, or some sort of indentation. --NormanEinstein (talk) 18:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

anal sinuses is an occurence of said shape. ResMar 18:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it:Asinara says "Insula sinuaria, sicuramente per via della sua forma sinuosa." Sinuosa AFAIK, means Sinuous (i.e. curvy), not sinus (i.e. hole). PRB (talk) 12:59, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Circular reference[edit]

The Geohack page that was the reference for the island's name meaning "sinus-shaped" is a copy of this page - albeit an earlier version of it. Therefore it can't be used as the reference - I've removed the reference and tagged the two places where it was as needing citations. 59.167.40.114 (talk) 05:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)Dave[reply]

FALSE REFERENCES[edit]

This link: [[1]] is untrustworthy!!! i live in Sardinia, and i studied and visited Asinara many times, the National Park was founded in 1997, not in 1991. In the Asinara don't live stable inhabitants, probably lived 700 people when it was still a Penal colony! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daygum (talk • contribs) 19:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Asinara/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk · contribs) 10:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC) I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.[reply]

Disambiguations: none found

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
This is not reasonably well written. Poor phrasing and word choice abound. The grammar is sub standard throughout. The lead does not fully summarise the article. Solitary sentences abound. Statements are contradictory. Please get it copy edited and then submit to peer review before renominating
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Sources appear to be RS; a clarification needed tag needs addressing; no evidence of OR
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
OK
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Poor word choice implies a point of view in places. this will be sorted out by copy-editing.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Images licensed OK, captions are poorly written.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
This is a long way from GA standard and should never have been nominated in this poor state. You are supposed to get the article up to standard and then submit for review. Get it copy edited by someone with a good command of plain good English, then submit for peer review before renominating. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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