Talk:Assyrian Pentecostal Church

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Salvation through speaking in tongues sections[edit]

This section is in need of some further analysis, one option maybe to to remove it all together, and just start on Personal Statement of beliefs. Ninevite (talk) 00:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment[edit]

The introduction goes into some of the history. It talks about spiritual revival movements but isn't clear on when the church actually began. DidToma Nasseri found this particular church or did he found Protestant churches? Who is the founders and current leaders of the church. How is the church structured? Is it episcopal or some other? Which church or churches did this church develop from? How has the church incorporated Pentecostal practice and doctrine while still keeping Assyrian traditions? Is this church Oneness Pentecostal or does it teach the trinity? Just some questions that need to be answered. Also, how many members are there? Ltwin (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ltwin I want to sincerely thank you for helping out with this article. Your vast knowledge in Pentecostalism is extremally relevant to this. I have done some research regarding some of the questions you asked. I have answers to some of them:

Who is the founders and current leaders of the church?
  • Pastor William Abraham of APC Turlock
  • Pastor William Neesan of APC Los Angeles
  • Pastor Victor Tamraz of Tehran
  • Pastor Robert Barcham of Urmia
  • Rev. Jonathan Nader of Chicago —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nineveh 209 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pastor Sargon (Last Name: in process of acquiring) of Australia
  • There are more names I am also in the process of acquireing those as well.
Is this church Oneness Pentecostal or does it teach the trinity?

The answer is trinity.

How has the church incorporated Pentecostal practice and doctrine while still keeping Assyrian traditions? The answer is simple, the members of this Assyrian Pentecostal Church differ from other Mainstream Pentecostal Church' in the following areas, They speak their own language which is Assyrian Aramaic, the language which Jesus spoke over 2 thousand years ago. The beliefs of this church are identical to any other Trinitarian American Pentecostal Church. They practice the same exact holidays as the others, creeds (Speaking in Tongues, interpreting, water baptisms at older ages, practice and celebrate the day of Pentecost, his arrival to sheol where he preached for three days, easter, etc. This church has kept its traditions by continuing to speak their mother tongue as well as reading, singing and preaching in Aramaic.

Also, how many members are there? Process in confirmation: Since Iranian Revolution of 1979 many Assyrian Christians from all branches escaped persecution by fleeing to the west or europe.[[1]] Some estimates range as high as 8500 in Iran. Total Population is difficult to say but from what I have heard it ranges between 12-20 thousand. If we do incorporate those numbers we can add a [citation needed] tag to it.

  • This is what I know so far, I will be adding info here in there to this discussion, once again I thank you for your valuable input. Also I have acquired a book in aramaic describing the history of the church starting around a hundred years ago, I will be translating it into english, this will take some time but I will do it.

Did Toma Nasseri found this particular church or did he found Protestant churches?

  • Toma Nasseri was not the founder of the movement but he is highly credited with vastly expanding it in the 1940s and 50s. The history of the church goes back some forty to fifty years ealrier before his arrival.

Ninevite (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Working onTranslation[edit]

I have asked someone for assistance in translating these documents below. I have taken the time to scan and upload these images to this website for easy access. Click on the images to get a zoomed in version for a better look, the font gets bigger and easier to read. The first file is the cover page of the book. The second and third images talk about the church’s history from its inception to present day.

I have placed these here for all to access freely and openly, but not for distrubtion. Otherwise feel free to view them, I am gathering some folks to help me translate them into English so we can incorporate it into the article. Ninevite (talk) 02:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a part of the Assemblies of God? Ltwin (talk) 21:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From my understanding it is apart of it, although the church predominantly refers to itself as the APC. Ninevite (talk) 21:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok well that should be put in the article, and for beliefs then the Assemblies' beliefs can be cited then. Ltwin (talk) 23:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great, the first page of the link I provided above is probably the best source confirming it is apart of the Assemblies of God. If you think its not a relevant source then please remove it, I trust your expertise in sources. Ninevite (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
While I'd prefer a better source, but for now this source is ok. The important thing is that people know what kind of pentecostal tradition this group arises out of. Ltwin (talk) 23:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, thank you Ninevite (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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