Talk:Atum: A Rock Opera in Three Acts

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Sources[edit]

  1. https://www.stereogum.com/2199916/the-smashing-pumpkins-beguiled/music/
  2. https://pitchfork.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-new-album-atum-a-sequel-to-mellon-collie-and-machina/
  3. https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/music/smashing-pumpkins-release-new-single-beguiled-and-tell-us-about-their-three-part-rock-opera-atum-3313249
  4. https://blabbermouth.net/news/smashing-pumpkins-announce-new-album-atum-share-beguiled-single
  5. https://pitchfork.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-fall-2022-north-american-tour/ (your on support)
  6. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/smashing-pumpkins-beguiled-atum-new-album-1234595819/
  7. https://www.kerrang.com/billy-corgan-smashing-pumpkins-atum-mellon-collie-sequel
  8. https://www.kerrang.com/amp/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-33-track-three-act-rock-opera-album-atum
  9. https://consequence.net/2022/09/smashing-pumpkins-rock-opera-atum/


Sergecross73 msg me 14:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Title/classification[edit]

So, this album is a bit different than most, so we're in some uncharted waters a bit. Just to get ahead of a few issues I believe we'll see eventually:

  1. I'm not 100% certain Atum: A Rock Opera In Three Acts is the correct placement of the article, but I currently prefer it over ATUM: A Rock Opera In Three Acts per WP:ALLCAPS and over Atum (album) per WP:NATDAB.
  2. Additionally, as far as I can tell, even though its 3 separate releases of 11 songs each across 2 separate years...it's still being classified as one album, not 3. That's how sourcing I've seen show it so far at least. That may change though. Sergecross73 msg me 17:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The primary sources are mostly using all caps, but I think that's relatively unimportant matter. They did the same for CYR but here and reliable sources usually use Cyr. The three acts together are for sure considered a single cohesive album by the band, but some outlets and RIAA certifications (if there will be any) will probably count it as three based on the volume of songs.
@Sergecross73 I did want to ask: Are we sure Sumerian is involved with this album? I know they were supposed to be originally, but their website and social media accounts haven't said a word about the album or new single. I heard a rumor that Sumerian released an unapproved version of Cyr to the dismay of Corgan, and I'm guessing that's why they aren't involved anymore. MusikAnimal talk 17:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, actually. I wrote most of the current article, but someone else added that part in afterwards. I didn't question it because I thought I had read that in passing, but it could be that I was thinking of Cyr. By all means, let's remove if we can't actually confirm. Sergecross73 msg me 17:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rating[edit]

User:Sergecross73, why do you think this doesn't merit a C rating? ―Justin (koavf)TCM 18:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, didn't even notice that. I was just trying to illustrate that I didn't think the sources should be listed like that because they were largely already implemented. I'll restore that part. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thumbs up emoji. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 19:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

It seems that this article could really benefit from a reception section with some reviews. 86.6.72.156 (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, go for it! Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Box-set songs removal[edit]

Anonymous editor(s) keep removing that part of the track list, without any explanation. Is there something contentious here, or is it just misguided or vandalism? Sergecross73 msg me 13:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]