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History[edit]

The town of Avajiq was first called to my attention by an edit on 17:08, 18 September 2007 to the Chaldoran article by Sahar83 which indicated that the town of Avajiq (آواجيق), was in Chaldoran County and listed the Farsi Wikipedia as the source. I found the town in the far north west corner of Chaldoran County almost on the Turkish border. It lies on the road that crosses the Turkey-Iran border and goes on to Doğubeyazıt, Turkey (not the main main road that goes easterly to Maku, but one that goes southerly from just west of Doğubeyazıt). The town was listed on one map (MSN) as Arab Dizaj. It was listed on another perhaps as Qendeal (nav. chart ONC G4). GoogleEarth lists the coordinates as 39°19′50″N 44°09′14″E / 39.33056°N 44.15389°E / 39.33056; 44.15389 (39.329933, 44.153969), which the gazetteer from Falling Rain Genomics, Inc. lists as Kelisa Kandi. I also found a reference to Avajiq in The Cambridge History of Iran by Richard Nelson Frye, p. 519, indicating that Abbas Mirza had moved the Turkic Airumlu tribe south of the Aras River to Avajiq. Minorsky, V. (1944) "Roman and Byzantine Campaigns in Atropatene" (Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies 11(2): pp. 243-265) says "Although what Strabo means by Abos seems to be the southern spurs of Mt. Ararat, it is possible that the name is still reflected in that of the small district Ava-jiq through which pass the communications between Erzerum and Khoy. ... In fact, in the neighbourhood of Avajiq lie the head-waters both of the Murad-su (eastern Euphrates) and of the Sari-su flowing to the Araxes." p. 259. I haven't yet identified which tributary of the Aras (Araxes) was referred to by the ubiquitous name Sari-su. --Bejnar (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This material needs to be properly incorporated into the article, but I am hoping that other sources can help create a more coherent text. --Bejnar (talk) 04:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arab Dizaj[edit]

Avaliq is pretty certainly identified on GoogleEarth at 39°19′56″N 44°09′14″E / 39.33222°N 44.15389°E / 39.33222; 44.15389 (the town layout on GoogleEarth matches the planning document at "تصویب طرح هادی آواجیق چالدران".) However, the identification of Avajiq (Avajik) with Arab Dizaj is not entirely certain. One map, Micosoft VE (labels) on flashearth, shows Arab Dizaj south of the town identified as Avajiq. That label might be considered to point at 39°18′50″N 44°09′52″E / 39.31389°N 44.16444°E / 39.31389; 44.16444 which is 2.3 km to the south-southeast of Avajiq. However since the name Avajiq or Avajik does not occur in fallingrain.com, maplandia.com or in a GNS search in geonames, it is not unlikely that it is the same as Arab Dizaj. The name Avajiq does occur in both the Turkish Wikipedia as "Avacik", a translation into Turkish of آواجیق in the West Azarbaijan template Şablon:Batı Azerbaycan YB, and in the Azeri Wikipedia at Çaldıran Şəhristanı (Chaldoran County) as "Avacıq", as well as the English sources mentioned above and in the article. --Bejnar (talk) 04:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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