Talk:Ave Maria (Vavilov)

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Hoax?[edit]

And, why is this a hoax? RocketMaster 12:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vavilov Galassi 13:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please, don't change it to 'Ave Maria (Vavilov)', 'Ave Maria (aria)' etc., etc.: this piece is sooo famous and popular not because a "Vavilov", but because of "Caccini"! and many people (Andrea Bocelli too) don't know that. So, the name must be the same as the piece is known. Vavilov and his contemporaries made a special musical hoax, since in URSS at that time nobody knew Renaissance church music, Caccini's style and what could be "Ave Maria" in a late-Renaissance period. Total long play by Vavilov is a musical hoax, since there are other pieces, composed by Vavilov but adressed by him to other, partly exist, partly especially created composers' names. At that LP "Ave Maria" was performed by soprano, guitar and organ as a "16th Century anonymous composer's" piece. Then the same organist, Mark Shakhin, gave the scores (as a newly discovered scores by Caccini!) to a conductor of child choir "Vesna" (in Leningrad), who performed it on many concerts in many countries; then the piece was printed as "Caccini", but only in a Soviet music scores and so.

So, please, don't change the name! Gerea-en (talk) 00:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be at the most accurate title. There's no problem with having a redirect from the Caccini title to the current title, though. I've protected it at the old title: feel free to take the question to WP:Requested moves if you still disagree. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be "Ave Maria (Vavilov)". Vavilov is the author and he should be credited for it. A redirect from "Ave Maria (Caccini)", as suggested by SarekOfVulcan, would help those who don't know the name of the real author. The fact that the piece as been attributed to a different composer is not relevant. Professional musicians, concert program writers and major recording labels make mistakes about these things all the time. For example, the Waltz from Shostakovich's Suite for Variety Orchestra has been recorded and released under an incorrect name by DECCA, so the piece is now better known as "Suite for Jazz Orchestra No. 2". Should the article about this piece be "Suite for Jazz Orchestra No. 2" only because people know it by this name? I don't think so. I say keep "Ave Maria (Vavilov)".--Karljoos (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, keep article as Ave Maria (Vavilov). We still need proper sources in English.--Design (talk) 00:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Translate references[edit]

Could someone please tranaslate the current refernces which are in Russian? Also add the title of the LP recorded by Vavilov that conatined the supposed first recording of this "Ave Maria".--Design (talk) 12:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drawn Together[edit]

I think this piece is also used in Drawn Together s03e14 but since I'm not entirely sure I don't want to add myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.181.205.80 (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bublé Reference Is Incorrect[edit]

I find myself skeptical of this entire article when the one reference I do know (Michael Bublé - Christmas) is clearly false. This is a recording of Ave Maria by Franz Schubert, which is plainly documented with the CD and obvious to anyone who listens and knows the tune. Also, it was recorded and released in 2011, not 2010. The author seems too passionate about the subject to check for accuracy. Gpswaney (talk) 04:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to Bublé's album was added recently and is indeed wrong. Apart from that, the list of recordings was checked by me and it looks accurate. The article received contributions by several editors (not by just "one author") and the work's whole story is well-referenced. So, I don't see the need to cast doubt on an entire article because of a minor issue. —capmo (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When did Vavilov's authorship become well-known?[edit]

The timeline of this composition's popular misattribution is unclear, especially for non-Russian speakers who can't read the sources. When and how was the misattribution uncovered? It would be helpful if a flag was added to the list of published recordings showing which ones attributed the work to Caccini. Birdfern (talk) 00:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One particular detail I'm wondering about is, even if it's clear that Mark Shakhin completely fabricated the Caccini story, how is it known that the piece was written by Vavilov himself and not by one of his contemporaries who chose to remain anonymous? Birdfern (talk) 01:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]