Talk:Azeri style
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Is sabk a typo or a real word?[edit]
The Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss spell checker has found a possible typo that a copyeditor needs help to resolve. If sabk is misspelled, it can just be corrected in this article. If sabk is a legitimate word, it should be added to the English Wiktionary (which defines words in all languages) with a definition at wikt:sabk. Feel free to leave a note in this section if you do one of those things, or if you can provide any hints about this word. Thanks! -- Elfabet (talk) 19:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Requested move 3 June 2019[edit]
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The result of the move request was: Merge. Per consensus below, this article has been merged into a new section at Iranian architecture. — Amakuru (talk) 13:20, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Azeri style → Architectural style in north-western Iran – This article contains many monuments pre dating the Azerbaijani ethnos, thus, the current name is irrelevant. Actually, this article refers to the architectural style in north-western Iran, not an architectural style in relation with one ethnic group. ---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 23:23, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Why not "Azarbaijan style"? Keep in mind of course, that the land was still called Azarbaijan even before turks settled in the region; "Azerbaijani" was never referred to as an ethnicity until 1918. --Qahramani44 (talk) 03:39, 04 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Qahramani44: There is a good reason for that, as an encyclopedia, we should not mislead our readers and since there are many monuments listed in this article which have nothing to do with Azerbaijanis execpt that they have been built up in a region that we know as "Azerbaijan".---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 17:56, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support most neutral and correct. Johnbod (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- I support move to Azerbaijani style. Azerbaijan is a region of Iran, no need to eschew the perfectly legit term. "Architectural style in north-western Iran" is not concrete enough. I believe many different styles were practiced in this vast region through centuries. Ghirla-трёп- 09:35, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Exactly, and this article is covering only one of them. Note that none of the references are in English. The article by Oleg Grabar from the Encyclopaedia Iranica given at Ext Links doesn't mention either term, or anything much like it. There are political/ethnic subcurrents here, & I think the proposed name is most neutral. Johnbod (talk) 14:06, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Ghirlandajo: @Johnbod: Then it should be "Architectural style in Iranian Azerbaijan" instead of "Azerbaijani style" because the latter is misleading for at least two reasons :
- 1) Azerbaijan is an independent country and this article does not deal with the architectural style in that country, so this would be misleading for our readers
- 2) Azerbaijani is an ethnicity, not a region and this article has numerous monuments pre dating the Azerbaijani ethnos itself, again, this would mislead our readers. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:09, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- I would be ok with a move in that direction. But really it should be restricted to the relevant Ilkhanid/Timurid period. The existence and definition of the style seem rather contentious, with little usage in English-language sources. The term gets used in sources starting in Persian-language though, and in these "Azeri style" seems more common. Neither term gets an entry in Dictionary of Islamic Architecture, By Andrew Petersen (Routledge). Given how short the article is, it should probably be merged to Iranian architecture, which doesn't use the term or cover the period much. That would do away with the tricky issue of choosing a title. Note that many of the buildings mentioned in the article are not in north-western Iran, or Iran at all. The idea seems to be the style started there, but was used more widely. Razi style should probably be merged too. Johnbod (talk) 14:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, i fully agree with your merge proposal. Would you like to go ahead and request the said merges or do you want me to proceed ?---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:50, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Can you do it, cheers, Johnbod (talk) 14:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ok.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Can you do it, cheers, Johnbod (talk) 14:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, i fully agree with your merge proposal. Would you like to go ahead and request the said merges or do you want me to proceed ?---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:50, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- I would be ok with a move in that direction. But really it should be restricted to the relevant Ilkhanid/Timurid period. The existence and definition of the style seem rather contentious, with little usage in English-language sources. The term gets used in sources starting in Persian-language though, and in these "Azeri style" seems more common. Neither term gets an entry in Dictionary of Islamic Architecture, By Andrew Petersen (Routledge). Given how short the article is, it should probably be merged to Iranian architecture, which doesn't use the term or cover the period much. That would do away with the tricky issue of choosing a title. Note that many of the buildings mentioned in the article are not in north-western Iran, or Iran at all. The idea seems to be the style started there, but was used more widely. Razi style should probably be merged too. Johnbod (talk) 14:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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