Talk:BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award

Isn't princess Anne scottish?

Well she supports the Scottish rugby team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.192.43 (talk) 23:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

No she is not Scottish. She was born in England, to English (or German, or Greek... parents). 94.193.19.58 (talk) 21:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

There is no such thing as English or Scottish. She is British. Might be best to update a lot of flags on here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:8832:1300:3511:957B:C26D:415F (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Nationalities

Do we really need to say (WAL), (SCO), (ENG) etc. after each persons' name in the table when their country's flag is already doing that job. It is making the table wider than it needs to be and adds nothing to the information given by it. Officially Mr X (talk) 12:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Accompany flags with country names. It was even requested during a related FLC process. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

That's all well and good but it is a fairly clueless person who can't recognise such common flags. I still believe it is a case of unnecessary repetition with negligable benefits. Surely you are aware that by placing the cursor over the flag the country name is given anyway. Officially Mr X (talk) 13:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Woah! Yes, I know what the flags mean. Yes, I know the cursor trick. This is a FL, so it needed to be MOS compliant. If you think it is unnecessary take it up with the MOS people, I've tried unsuccessfully in the past. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Reverting your edits.

• Undoing the addition of full stops because MOS:CAPTIONS says "Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely nominal groups (sentence fragments) that should not end with a period"
• Undoing it removal of flags as:
  • There is a Northern Ireland flags issue which I'm addressing in my most recent edit. The Ulster Banner is okay for pre-1972 and football players, but otherwise the issue is contencious and {{noflag}} is recommended.
  • It forces images to be no-longer adjacent to table at small resolutions (not good WP:ACCESS for a FL)
  • MOS:FLAG recommends accompanying flags with country names, I realise the key is MOS complient but we should not assume the reader knows flags and as this is a long list having to scroll back and forth to a key is laborious.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

1957 award - possible 2nd/3rd

The video here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/24548620 mentions "a very close race indeed between Stirling Moss, Derek Ibbotson and eventually the winner was Dai Rees". Nigej (talk) 13:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

To add to my previous comment. The Times for Thursday 12 December 1957 (Issue 54022) page 15, in an article headed "Sportsman of the Year" says (after detailing the Daily Express sportsman of the year - which went Ibbotson, Moss, Rees) "Rees was voted Sportsview's Personality of the Year at the same gathering by B.B.C. television viewers with Moss runner-up and Ibbotson third." Nigej (talk) 16:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Greg Rusedski

...is listed as from "England". He was born in Canada, and represented Great Britain in Tennis. Since it is not possible to become a naturalised citizen of any of the home nations (only of the UK), on what basis is he 'English'?--Stevouk (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Stevouk I tend to agree with you- he's Canadian, and sources don't call him English (although he did live in England). I think there's a bigger issue of why we're even separating people by sub-nationality. Apart from Cavendish who is from the Isle of Man (which isn't part of "conventional" Britain), they're not very useful. PS: I've moved your comment to bottom of the talkpage, as new comments should be at the bottom. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Northern Ireland flags?

I know that for sportspeople we usually use the flag of the country they played for, but I don't think most of the Northern Irish people should have the controversial Ulster Banner listed as their flag. As per the Northern Ireland flags issue, NI has no official flag, and most of these people represented teams that don't use this flag:

• George Best played for NI football team, which does use the Ulster Banner, so this is acceptable
• Willie John McBride played rugby for united Ireland team, which uses a different flag
• Mary Peters (athlete) competed for Great Britain and NI, which uses the Union flag
• Alex Higgins seems to have NI flag used in other places on Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if that's correct or not (not sure whether snooker "divides" nationalities up rather than calling them all British)

Therefore, for Northern Irish people, I believe listing no flag is more appropriate than listing a controversial flag that isn't officially the flag of Northern Ireland. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Not forgetting Barry McGuigan. Represented Northern Ireland in the 1978 Commonwealth Games. Is the Irish flag best? Nigej (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

And the "By nationality" table should go. Nigej (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Ni at the Commonwealth Games use the Ulster Banner (the flag in the article). But there's no good flag for Northern Ireland, as there are at least three disputed flags for it (Union Flag, Ulster Banner, Flag of Ireland), and many sports teams use their own flags (especially where there's unified Ireland teams like rugby union). So best to use none for NI people in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm assuming that you want to keep the "NIR" bit, (perhaps for McGuigan too). Not sure how to do that with flagathlete. Nigej (talk) 20:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Nationality totals

The totals do not add up (except for third place, which is odd, as it should match the second place total) 86.148.171.6 (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)