Talk:Baal-zephon

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We have two pages, one as Baal-zephon and Baal Zephon, referring to the same subject. I will combine into Baal-zephon. Cobblers 06:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not the best choice. The page should probably be forked between the god and the location. —

Llywelyn II

15:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this addition of a couple of wikipedia references reverted?[edit]

Baal-zephon (בעל צפון Hebrew) is a semitic phrase refering to the power of the air [Baal] in the form of a storm or [zephyrus]. The name referred to a prominent landmark at the Red Sea next to Pi-hahiroth (Egyptian for the mouth of the gulf) and Migdol, (high place) where the Hebrews(Israelites) made their Passage of the Red Sea in their [Exodus] from Egypt. Rktect 12:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Writing well after the question, because it's wrong, and because we never use Wikipedia as a reference. dougweller (talk) 09:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Location of Baal Zephon[edit]

The location of Baal Zephon is Tell Defenneh 30°51′39″N 32°10′17″E / 30.860708°N 32.171475°E / 30.860708; 32.171475. Egyptian Tjafanet (pronounced "Zafane") is the same as Tahpanhes/Taphne and Daphnae Pelusiae. It is on the route from Tjeku 30°35′11″N 32°08′13″E / 30.586385°N 32.136973°E / 30.586385; 32.136973 (Tjeku (Succoth, Tell el Maskhuta)) (pronounced Zuko, biblical Succoth, today Tell el Maskhuta) to Pa-Tjufy ("the reeds", pronounced Pa-Zufy, biblical Yam-Suph), the northernmost lake/swamp towards Miktol (Migdol, twin fortress at Tell el-Hebua), where the old border canal (ta-denit "the dividing [waters]") flows into Pa-Zufy. David Rohl: "From Eden to Exile", pp 185-189 ISBN 0099415666. Cush (talk) 07:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who else says this besides Rohl? dougweller (talk) 09:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know yet. But I will look up who Rohl is using as his sources :-) Cush (talk) 12:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

conclusively supported by Robin Lane Fox[edit]

What does this mean? And who says conclusively? Dougweller (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WTF?[edit]

What's with all the location suggestions that are nowhere near Egypt?? Baal Zephon is supposed to be on the route from Goshen to the Egyptian border, which means inside Egypt. CUSH 18:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can't speak for the Hebrew but the English Bible certainly permits the idea that BZ was on the other side of the water from the Egyptian locations. The article is also not focused on the Egyptian location but also deals with the god whose shrine gave it its name. For some reason, some people have thrown around the idea that his epithet doesn't refer to the enormous mountain beside Ugarit where he was worshipped well into the Roman age but to various minor sites around Judea. Those locations are all a separate conversation from the location of the Exodus crossing. —

Llywelyn II

15:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then there clearly must be added a list of distinct places of the same name, with their occurrences in the biblical text. As the article is now, it is ridiculously illogical and therefore unencyclopedic. The Baal Zephon of the Exodus story is supposed to be inside Egypt. If there are other places, please enumerate them. ♆ CUSH ♆ 19:11, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source problems[edit]

The following was added to the article in error by User:‎Rdadbob - I'm moving it here:

"I noted missing sources above and searched a bit. This entire entry (top to bottom) appears to have been lifted essentially intact from religion.wickia.com. The source of the quoted phrase in this #1 note is found in a book: Canaan in the Second Millennium B.C.E. By Nadav Na'aman P 74

The author presents translation of “Amarna Letters” of the period (and alternate locations of Sab/puma) related to this in footnote #20.

https://books.google.com/books?id=HmTOoQmf23AC&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=“the+Shephelah+region,+not+far+from+the+kingdom+of+Gezer”&source=bl&ots=9e2eOes3GX&sig=ACfU3U0bwCYkCNn4X0K6DeDsG-U6s0G5Jg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB-66r7YHgAhUKUK0KHSUMBm8Q6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=“the%20Shephelah%20region%2C%20not%20far%20from%20the%20kingdom%20of%20Gezer”&f=false

It appears to be support for the interpretation of Knudtzon as superior to that of Albright, then ends with the exact words attributed above to Ross without a source noted. The file for the scholarly book (source above) unfortunately does not include page 80, a portion of the reference list for this section and might have included the name Ross if a source from this person was used.

In light of this search I suggest the following edit: In 1967, Knudtzon placed it in "the Shephelah region, not far from the kingdom of Gezer”. [citation directed to - Canaan in the Second Millennium B.C.E., Collected Essays Vol 2, Nadav Na’aman, Eisenbrauns, 2005]"

I'll take a look if I have time. Doug Weller talk 19:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rdadbob: could you quote the entry you're concerned with below and the link to Religion.wickia? I'll check to see if they copied it from us. Doug Weller talk 19:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Baal Zaphon edit[edit]

OOPS. Thanks, I dribbled a bit didn’t I? Thanks! Rdadbob (talk) 14:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]