Talk:Battōjutsu

Reading the Iaido talk page, it looks like this was once before merged with iaido. At the risk of repeating history, though, if it's a separate martial art, it seems like it should have its own page (rather than a "this is often confused with something else that doesn't have a page" blurb). --Eric's penguin 05:01, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

i agree, this has its own roots that are separate from Iaido, but maybe someone could do more research to add to the article so it doesn't look like a small waste of server --User:Firstdandude 02:26, 9 September 2006 (CT)

I agree. "Jutsu" is technique and "do" is way. While iaido and battojutsu may both be elements of Japanese Swordsmanship, they are separate activities and should remain separate in Wikipedia. Kendo 66 12:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of the part at the end talking about Rurouni Kenshin is crud. The RK version of battojutsu involves pressing the blade of the katana against the curve of the sheath to increase draw speed. This might be fine for Kenshin, because of his reverse-blade sword, but if you tried this with a real Katana, the blade would cut straight through the sheath and probably take a few fingers with it. It happens all the time to inexperienced Iaido practioners who try and use a shinken. Also, some of the "Comparison with Iaido" section is a little bit questionable.

I strongly agree that the "Comparison with Iaido" section is way off. I did not change it because I wanted to raise the issue here first. The "only for defense" thing about Battojutsu is completely wrong, and has no observable basis in reality. The commentary about western gunfighting - though relatively correct technically - seems to have a tennor which is not really correct for Wikipedea (IMO). Perhaps most importantly, everything about this section which is not simply incorrect is stated more clearly and more usefully in the Etymology section. Most importantly the author of this paragraph does not seem to correctly understand the difference in meaning between Iaido and Iaijutsu, which makes the entire paragraph even more confusing for those not already knowledgable in the subject.

I also added a section entitled "outside of Japan" with the intent of giving readers a sense for how few Battojutsu schools do exist in and outside of Japan, and also what those schools might be that are available. I added those schools with which I am personally familiar, I would invite others to add other Ryuha. I did not list names and addresses of individual dojo as that seemed inapropriate for the list, Google can help interested parties find those. I did not add "Shinkendo". The reason for this was that though I have heard that Mr. Obata has refered to his Shinkendo style as Battojutsu, I am not aware if this particular term is really accurate - as I am not knowledgable about the actual curriculum of that school. Perhaps someone who is a current or former student of Shinkendo can add either Shinkendo, or the aproprate progenitor school if such a school exists (Nakamura Ryu?). If Shinkendo turns out to be a contentious topic for some reason, we could discuss it here first before editing. Therealadrian 13:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Iaido also makes use of multiple cuts in some of it's kata, for instance So Giri of the seitei kata. I'm not going to rewrite the section as I don't really know enough about Battōjutsu, but I also agree that it does need it.81.178.253.168 16:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

It's my understanding that Shinkendo is based on more than one style.

Naming of the various japanese ryu and other names

Make sure you put in the right name for a wiki-link. As an example: both Muso Shinden-ryu and Musō Jikiden Eishin Ryū have their own seperate article, but they are incorrectly linked in this article. Fred26 11:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the fictional section

There is no point in having one. If we dedicate a section for fictional batto-"users" then we might as well create a "fictional rifle, pistol, whip, sword, sabre, tank, aircraft"-users section as well. Fred26 07:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand how you reach this conclusion. Portrayals of Japanese or other eastern sword techniques are much less common than portrayals of the use of such modern weaponry, and the specific mention of battojutsu is even more rare than this. It would seem to me that the rarity of its use in modern fiction would make it more noteworthy; you're of course correct that to mention every fictional hero who uses a gun would be silly - but how many modern fictional heroes can you name that are specifically said to use battojutsu methods? I am aware of only two and am an avid consumer of fantasy fiction, historical fiction, and manga & anime, which is where one would expect to find battojutsu in fiction. Kasreyn (talk) 04:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

And now the list is up to 10 entries. 83.255.75.60 (talk) 10:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Check the "in popular culture" section of .44 Magnum for three paragraphs on Dirty Harry. I put the section back in. From (talk) 19:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.244.74.178 (talk)

Just nit-picking here, but the Batto forms associated with the Yagyu Shinkage-ryu are actually comprise their own style entirely, called Yagyu Seigo-ryu Battojutsu. The forms are generally taught together, as the Soke of Shinkage-ryu is also the Soke of Seigo-ryu, and has been for generations, but the two are still considered seperate arts. There are no drawing forms in Shinkage ryu and all batto under that style is actually Seigo-ryu. This is simply what I was told by my instructor. see here: http://www.koryu.com/guide/yagyushinkage.html Gregory MacDonald 01:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Remove 'iaijutsu' redirect from Iaido and place it on Batto-

I have removed the redirect from Iaijutsu and placed it on Battojutsu. It's not perfect, but this will have to do until a "iaijutsu" page pops up. IMHO "Battojutsu" & "Iaijutsu" are just all names for the same thing. Some of the ryu listed on the page have their own names for what they do in the school, some have Battojutsu and Iaijutsu. It depends on the school, really, as there are no hard and fast rules. Mekugi 11:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not too comfortable with the redirect situation, but rather than argue abut it, I'm just going to start an article at Iaijutsu. Bradford44 12:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Good for me!

Mekugi 14:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)