Talk:Battle of Bud Dajo

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"The Muslim Filipinos, called Moros, had been raiding and pillaging the countryside for centuries."

I am puzzled as to why that claim is presented. How is it relevant to the article? It appears to be an attempt to justify the invasions and subsequent brutality.

I feel it should be eliminated.

63.85.117.146 11:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)Jeff Zervas[reply]

I deleted the "pillaging" portion of the sentence. I don't know enough about the history of this group to do more. Travb 22:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, the raiding and pillaging is fairly accurate. When we (the USAns) arrived on the scene, the Moros had been in a state of endemic civil war for a Very Long Time. Things were a bit more settled on Jolo, but still pretty fragmented. Think middle ages in Europe - lots of small feuding warlords. On Jolo, you at least had the Sultan holding things together a little bit, but he was basically a figurehead. The Moros were also excellent pirates. They didn't think of it as a crime, but as a legitimate source of income. And in at least one of the Moro languages, the word for the Christianized Fillipinos to the north was the same as their word for "slave." Don't know about all that being justifications though. crazyeddie 05:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like I'll be doing a paper on this battle for a history class. I'll try to clean up the article a bit. Part of the trouble is that it looks like that previous contributors used this as a source: http://www.bakbakan.com/swishk/swk3-19.html which was written back in 1936, hence the lack of PC wording. It also looks like some of the langauge of the article used material from the source without properly citing it, might be some copyvio issues. On the other hand, some of the information in the article is inconsistent with the information in the source. This article could use some work. I'll go ahead and post a clean up notice... crazyeddie 00:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It appears this is also the Moro Crater Massacre...[edit]

...just from looking at the online sources. We should consolidate that article into this one, then streamline the collection. BusterD 23:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The issue of the Colt 45 was a direct result of the Moro campaign, because of the 38's inability to stop a charging Muslim fanatic.

are you serious?

Quite. Apparently the American soldiers of the time suspected that the Moros had a touch of water buffalo in their genetic makeup- them suckers could soak up the lead. There's lot of stories of Moro juramentados with six .38 rounds in them going on to kill American soldiers with the kris (and then eventually dying, but a bit late for the Yankees). There is some thought that the rituals involved in the juramentado rite gave the Moros a better ability to tolerate the trauma of gunshot wounds. The story about the issue of the Colt 45 is very well known, just most people think it's about the Fillipinos in general, not the Moros. Nope, the .38 worked just fine on the Fillipinos and Cubans, but for the Moros, we needed the 45. Looking over the Colt 45 article, it looks like the pistol had been around long before, but the Moro Rebellion probably encouraged its issue. crazyeddie 05:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since there are two battles, this is now the disambiguation page[edit]

Each of these will have their own articles, and the first one is workable now. If my action seems premature, please revert. My intention is draw attention to the more accurate, more complete, better considered article. BusterD 01:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]