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--Midrashah (talk) 11:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

is this why there is what seems to me, to be a disproportionate focus on BZN's politics, rather than his scholarship? Ricardianman (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I have added some material and a reference to the Tablet magazine article, but I think the section on his work is still quite inadequate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardianman (talk • contribs) 21:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Facts in question & contradictions

DOB

Article has conflicting dates of birth, 1910 (Contemporary Authors) and 1909 (unsourced.)

Newspaper closed by British authorities

Article says, or implies, that he was editor of HaYarden newspaper until British authorities shut it down in 1935. Per Jewish Virtual Library piece on Israeli press they closed down its immediate predecessor in 1931. Per IDC p3 HaYarden continued daily publication until 1936, and weekly until 1939.

Moved to New York when?

It's unclear when he moved to New York to work for Jabotinsky. Per Contemporary Authors, he worked in then Mandatory Palestine until 1940.
--AndersW (talk) 03:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Criticism

"Specializing in the golden age of Jewish History in Spain, Netanyahu is known for his opus, the Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth Century Spain. It is considered by some, a towering work on the subject.[8] However, other well versed scholars dismiss its validity.[9] "

Since when is ihr.org considered a scholarly publication? Would the KKK be used as a valid source for the history of African-Americans?71.190.92.212 (talk) 03:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Materials

Sources that can be used for this article:

—Ynhockey (Talk) 07:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Can we settle the birthdate please?

Did he turn 100 or not? Here's a start: The Telegraph Group says he "turns 99 this year" (2009-02-03), but the LA Times (copy in Miami Herald) says he "will turn 100 this year" (2009-04-05). I thought I saw another source, something like JPost, favoring 100, but it doesn't show up now. Help? JJB 02:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC) The plot thickens. Diffs are mostly in Hebrew:

  • First 3 June 1920.
  • Then 3 June 1910.
  • Then 3 June 1909.
  • Then User:Midrashah says 2 June 1909, though it differs with the immediately prior he.wikipedia.
  • Then nl.wikipedia says 1909.
  • Then he.wikipedia switches back to 3 June 1910.
  • Then User:Anders.Warga finds 25 March 1910 in Contemporary Authors.
  • Recent blog for 2 June 1909 (probably unknowingly mirroring Midrashah at WP).
  • The two sources I listed above split between 1909 and 1910.
  • The source I remember seeing but can't find said, I believe, age 99 as of roughly 2009-03-31, favoring June 1909 or 25 March 1910.
  • Christopher Hitchens in Salon and Nation says age 87 as of 1998-04-13, favoring 3 June 1910.
  • Pay site that Google glosses as "Benzion Netanyahu (born in Warsaw in 1910)".
  • Random sites 1, 2 favoring 1910.

My rough count suggests that 7 independent witnesses can support 3 June 1910 (2 Wikipedians explicitly), and 6 can support 25 March 1910 (only 1 explicitly, but that in print), and the other date claims have sufficient evidence to be dismissed as errors. But that's OR of course. Humph, guess 25 March is the only sourced one for now. More input needed! JJB 07:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC) His birth date is March 16, 1910. It was indicated in the book, Yoni Hero of Entebbe by Max Hastings, that Yoni Netanyahu`s birthday preceded his father's by three days (Yoni was born on March 13, 1946). It is also mentioned in this book that Benzion Netanyahu was born in 1910. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.211.194.131 (talk) 22:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Thank you! That is very probative, but it favors 25 March and not 16 March as you suspect. There is no data for 16 March, but if the three days is on the Hebrew calendar rather than the Gregorian, it correctly yields 25 March, assuming Yoni was born after sunset. According to an online converter, 13 March 1946 after sunset is 11 Weadar 5706; 25 March 1910 before sunset is 14 Weadar 5670. So I think we can confidently source to CA and Hastings, and say, with a paradoxical smirk, that Benzion will celebrate his 100th (lunisolar) birthday on 14 Adar 5770 or 28 February 2010, even though he won't become a (solar) centenarian until 25 March 2010. JJB 18:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Foresaw 9/11 attacks in 1990s

Netanyahu: My father foresaw 9/11 attacks in 1990s http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=120347&sectionid=351020202 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/print.php?newid=341660 - "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that his father predicted the 9/11 attacks on New York's twin towers back in the '90s. The remark was made during the 100th birthday celebration of the premier's father, Benzion Netanyahu, Haaretz reported." - Also note that Benjamin Netanyahu has said that "9/11 terror attacks good for Israel" http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html cheers, Jamie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 11:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Books by Benzion Netanyahu

The first book listed, The Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth-Century Spain, was published by Random House in 1995. The Granta edition is apparently a reprint and is not listed in the Library of Congress catalog. Curiously, the copyright notice reads "Copyright 1995 by Benzion Netanyahu," but the cover and title page show the author's name as "B. Netanyahu."Donfbreed (talk) 21:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Maariv Interview

Just reading through some of the obituaries, both the NYT[1] and the Daily Beast[2] obituaries discuss the 2009 Maariv interview, so it would seem to be regarded as significant by RS. Both NYT and the Daily Beast link to this English translation of the interview, which is a blog written by a Maariv reporter. Excepts of the translated interview were also published at The Boston Globe[3] and The Atlantic[4].

Then use WP:RS and what they quote I don't object.The blogs are WP:SPS and could not be used only as primary source.--Shrike (talk) 12:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Any idea how we could get a copy of the original Maariv interview? Dlv999 (talk) 12:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I think interview is primary source too.As its like autobiography.We need WP:RS to make conclusions from it.I will try and look for it.--Shrike (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
[5].You can use google translate.--Shrike (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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