Talk:Bhai Jiwan Singh

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very good article on true history of Baba Jivan singh.All these years people have forgot about jivan singh ji and the jatt sikhs cover up his braveness because he was a Mazhabi sikh and did more for sikhism than a jatt sikh did.The jatt sikhs were just jealous because the Mazhabi sikhs outshined jatt sikhs.

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This article has some poorly written sections - in which no quotes are used - no supporting evidence mentioned.

i.e.:

While fighting the battle of Sirsa, Sahibzada Ajit Singh was caught in the siege (surrounded by?) of the enemies (what does in the siege of the enemies mean) .

Babawan (who is babawan) is this a term of endearment?

Singh (which Singh; Ajit Singh, Babawan, Baba Jivan singh or some other Singh?

held the reins of his horse in his mouth (how did he guide the horse with the reins in his mouth one has to pull one rein or the other to guide a horse.

made a short work of many enemies (made short work) -- a short work - is a literary term?

and succeeded in extricating Sahibzada Ajit Singh safe and sound from the circle of the enemy, was Sahibzada Ajit Singh not fighting his attackers as well, surely he was taking part in freeing himself.

There can hardly be any fighter in the world who may ( the old may I/can I argument)

and wield two swords with his right and left hand (two swords in each hand as this appears to say)

Similarly, no match to Baba Jiwan Singh has been so far born in the world who may make sure shots with two rifles at the same time. (their have been several trick shooters who shoot two rifles (accurately) at the same time).

Rifles were not invented until long after the death of Bhai Jiwan Singh. The kind of gun (a musket) that was around in the day of Baba Jiwan Singh was very heavy, one needed the other arm or a prop to shoot two muskets with any accuracy. It would take both arms to load a black powder musket.

Such glaring mistakes have led to the added comments:

• This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards.
• The neutrality of this article is disputed.
• The Guru introduced the war-drum (Ranjit Nagara) to inject heroism in his soldiers during the war, the second of which (WHAT SECOND?) could be heard over a long distance.
• The drum was beaten under the supervision of Baba Jiwan Singh because he was the Chief Drummer, and the fighting was always started with the beat of the drum. He possessed special expertise in guerilla warfare. In addition to this Guru had appointed him the Chief of the Intelligence Department. (HOW large was his department)

This does no justice to this true hero of Sikhism, and looks like little more than romantic imagination. Allenwalla (talk) 02:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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Martyred?

@Rana Surbir Singh: I removed your addition which said he was martyred. If you have a source that Wikipedia considers reliable that describes his death as "being martyred" or similar, you may re-add it. Otherwise, equating death to martyrdom is considered "original research" which is not allowed on Wikipedia, see WP:No original research. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 14:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Poorly sourced edit

In this poorly sourced edit, they added sources that are unreliable for history – see WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:HISTAR. Three of the cited sources – [1], [2], & [3] — are WP:UGC. Out of the remaining three, one is a reprint/compilation of 18th-century literature known as Gurbilas Patshahi 6 or Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin. It is a primary source. The other one is an unpublished thesis from Shodhganga. I couldn't crosscheck it as the page number isn't provided. But they are generally considered unreliable anyway – see this discussion at WP:RSN. The last one is a locally published nonscholarly Punjabi source, namely Rangretian daa itihas, which is authored by Naranjan Arifi, a retired employee of the Punjab government's Revenue Department. He is not even a scholar, let alone a historian. So I will revert the edit. - NitinMlk (talk) 08:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)