Talk:Big Brother (British TV series) series 9/Archive 2

Marking HoH

I think somebody removed the usual HoH colour from nomination table.. just beacuse it says in the upper part of the nom. table, I think both Darnell and Dale should be marked with the colour on nomination table. --BigOz22 (talk) 21:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It should that is the standard with the American, Australian, African and Philippine articles that has a Head of Household or Head of House. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 03:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Maysoon, Sara and Stuart.

Why are Maysoon, Sara and Stuart in blue on the nomination total table and jail table. They're not up for eviction are they. Blue highlight resembles who is up for eviction doesn't it?--92.16.103.215 (talk) 16:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Nominations table error

Hi. I'm new to wikipedia, so I'm not exactly sure how this all works, but I think I've just noticed an error in the nominations table: in week 6 Maysoon nominated Rebecca, not Rachel. I hope there's someone out there who can verify and correct the error! --Jimbo8 (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Maysoon did nominate Rachel. She said she didn't get excited when she came to sit next to her and thinks that Rachel is boring. If you read that Maysoon nominated Rebecca on the Channel 4 website, then i can tell you that it was a mistake.--92.2.187.16 (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sara nominated Rachel for being boring and not getting excited. Maysoon likes her Spyka (talk) 12:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the nominations table now, source being: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/vote/history.html which confirms Maysoon voted for Rebecca Spyka (talk) 12:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You were right. sorry. however, the channel 4 website often makes mistakes, so dont always take what you here from that website as the whole truth. however, they were right on this occasion.--92.20.53.137 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Head of House Table

If it is staying, can someone please alphabetise the wk 7 entries? It's not really a useful single table in it's present form and will only get worse if further weeks are added leaky_caldron (talk) 19:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I really don't find it useful at all as everything is already in the weekly summary table. Hey I know why don't we create one for the US editions, not. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Darnell and his Day 48 Punishment.

I belive that Darnell was sent to jail should be put in weekly summary/highlights. Also, is it any better if housemate who are in jail that spend night there also be noted (Just a suggestion) --BigOz22 (talk) 00:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

HoH Competion/Election Table

We need to change it... Stuart table just gets bigger and makes other looks small, either somebody fix it or we should make it look diffrent. maybe a Nomination Type table? --BigOz22 (talk) 18:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

as it stands it's not even a single table. It's 3 tables side by side. As previously suggested (twice) the HMs should be in line across with gaps left where an HM has been evicted. It really is quite useless from an information giving point of view in it's current format leaky_caldron (talk) 19:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Much prefer the new style HoH table Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 23:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks to those involved in modifying the table. leaky_caldron (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

This week's nomination.

Hello, I am just curious, usually "I try" to put the nominations according to the Official site, but recently somebody puts the nominations BEFORE they are out, where do they get the information from? The Highligths and the news weren't out/shown and the nomination appear to be correct. Does anyone know where did somebody get the information from? Just curious. --BigOz22 (talk) 18:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It's probably from someone who works for big brother.--92.20.53.137 (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Seen it twice in the Big Brother section of The Sun newspaper on Tuesdays... --Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 22:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

And as I predicted, it's happened again... Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 10:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

But they didn't forsee Big Brother's punishment for rule-breaking...hahaha Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 22:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The page is semi-protected...

...which will put a halt on the IP additions. However is IPs do want to edit then I suggest either registering, or leaving suggestions (not forum posts) here. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I want to be an editor. Can i put the nominations for this week up?--Mikopale (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that Darren. Mikopale- Do ya know how to do it? Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Jail Section

I feel that this should be removed. Number of jail visits is trivial as it has nothing to do with the outcome of the game. All infomation is in the weekly summary box already. If we keep this, we may aswell have a "Visits to the Diary Room" or "Visits to the toilet" section too. 86.166.249.55 (talk) 02:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it is quite useful, seeing as This big brothers tagline is "No Tolerence" and it shows how "evil" big brother can get by seeing how many people got sent to the jail on which day etc. Andybigbro2 (talk) 02:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

One of Big Brother's rules is that diary room visits are compulsary, so do we therefore have a table on that? No. Dalejenkins | 23:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but its part of the No Tolerence theme. Plus someone spent time doing the table and for you to take it off without further discussion, just based on what you believe is not fair, I think it should be put back as it shows how Many times housemates where made to go to jail, due to the fact that big Brother this year has zero tolerence. Andybigbro2 (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Now that the jail visits are quite frequent the table is a useful summation, just as the running total of how many votes is useful. The visits to the diary room or toilet is just specious reasoning. Jail visits are out of the ordinary, toilet or diary room visits are not. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Notes in nomination table

Do we really need a note under every week in the nomination saying xxx was Head of Household, he/she could not be nominated. One reference would be enough, seeing as they are green on the nominations table anyway.

Likewise, the note of had Hell failed their task xxx and xxx would have been up. I don't feel is needed. If they fail they're task a note saying they couldn't nominate because of that would be necessary, but passing the task means they nominate as normal, and a note should only be added if nominations are affected by anything. 81.152.87.45 (talk) 21:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

We do need a xxx was head of house note, and we do need the type of task the Hellmates had to pass, we do not need the "if they failed then xxx and xxx would have been up" bit because that is original research. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Have changed the top of the nomination's table from 'Head of House' to 'Head of House (exempt from nomination)', good/bad idea? A note would be suitable for Stuart's demotion though. db1987db (talk) 10:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the coloured box is enough. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Housemates section

On Day 1...'Big Brother rules state that all ejected housemates must be replaced'...then says citation needed, i've found citation from a link on the Big Brother 1 page when Nick was ejected. Can that be used or does it have to be from the official Big Brother website? Link - http://www.tv.com/big-brother-uk/episode-127/episode/132137/summary.html or I have found this on the official site - http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/about/bb-rules.html

'Voluntary/Involuntary Departure

If a housemate wants to leave they must first report to the Diary Room and give their reasons for leaving.

Big Brother may ask a housemate to leave the House if they behave inappropriately, for example, if they engage in violent or abusive behaviour, or damage the House or its contents.

Housemates leaving voluntarily or being asked to leave may be replaced at Big Brother's discretion. Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 11:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

But Emma in BB5 was never replaced so I guess it is at their whim. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Were either Belinda, Maysoon or Sara (don't know which one it would've been) a direct replacement for Dennis' ejection with BB planning to put the other two in on Day 30 or would all three have gone in anyway had there not been the ejection (if you know what I mean) Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Emma was replaced by Becki. --BigOz22 (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No, she wasn't, Kitten was replaced by Becki. Emma was never replaced. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not attacking you, but Emma was replaced by Becki, Kitten was actually not ejected, she was evicted BY big brother, Big Brother could easily evict anyone else from the house. Also it state's that Emma was replaced by Becki on 2004's Wikipedia Entry. --BigOz22 (talk) 03:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

From the BB5 page "Kitten was ejected from the Big Brother house", there was no public vote, so she was not evicted, plus from this article "For the first time since Big Brother 5, a second housemate, Dennis, was ejected on Day 23". Kitten was ejected, then Emma was ejected, Becki replaced the first person to be ejected, no one replaced the second person. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

We will never know. And any information added to the article would be OR. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Kitten was Ejected. When Big Brother evicts someone it is simply know as an ejection. Becki was Kitten's replacement because Kitten needed a replacement Emma didn't, when kitten was ejected nobody should of gone that week therefore making the number of housemate lower than it should be but when Emma was ejected the public vote was cancelled therefore 1 housemate should of left the house that week and 1 did and that was Emma therefore Emma did not need to be replace however Kitten did because her ejection caused the numbers in the house to fall. In23065 (talk) 09:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ratings

Come on, own up, which idiot is responsible for once again incorrectly calculating the weekly running averages? I correctly calculated each weeks running average a few days back then some incapable doofus goes back and changes them. GO BACK TO SCHOOL WHOEVER YOU ARE, your mathematical ability is shameful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.159.193 (talk) 11:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Maysoon

Maysoon walked out the house today. It was changed but now someone has changed it back. Would change it but i dont want to mess up the tables. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.57.60 (talk) 14:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

As you are not registered you would not be able to change the table anyway as the page is semi-protected. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

i am registered not logged in smartarse. well why dont u change it then mr policeman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.50.237 (talk) 11:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

If you are registered then you would know to assume good faith. IPs cannot edit this article until 12th September. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

noticed u still havent changed it mr policeman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.50.237 (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Week 8 shopping

would it be worth mentioning the fact that they only bought tea, coffee, sugar, milk, 4 tokens and 57 Special Prizes... ? ATMarsden ^{Whadda ya want?} 12:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, if you can get a ref. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=11041&position=10 db1987db (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Where would one put it? ATMarsden ^{Whadda ya want?} 17:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I reckon at the end of Week 8's task section. Something like "As a result of failure, housemates received their usual basic shopping budget. However, Rex and Michael chose to buy 57 of Big Brother's Ever Changing Special Prize Tokens from the shopping list, along with tea, coffee, milk, sugar and one packet of custard creams"[link] db1987db (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2008 (UTC)...done, please let me know what you think? db1987db (talk) 20:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I added than: Some of the special prizes included jam, ham, spam, babysham, a pram and a carcass of lamb —Preceding unsigned comment added by ATMarsden (talk • contribs) 20:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Nicole

MAY go in. She won't go in if Rex is evicted. He's still one of the six housemates left that could go. db1987db (talk) 20:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just thought it would be very unlikely that he wasn't out. Sorry again. SamK1994 (talk) 20:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it's ok. I'm just saying because people moan if things are put on there without it happening or proof lol db1987db (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Plus, I reckon suspect number six should've been put in db1987db (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

HoH

Stuart is no longer HoH could somebody please change this or are we waiting to see who the new HoH is??? 89.100.221.196 (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The HoH should also show that Dale was not eligable to become HoH after the chili challenge. He was only competing to get a place in Heaven. If he had won then HoH would have gone to the second highest scorer. --77.100.5.41 (talk) 18:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

This was never stated on the daily show do you have a source to where you found this information out. In23065 (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not recall that Dale could not become HoH and was only eating chillis to stay in Heaven, and if this had been the case then Marcus Bentley would have stated it on the program as he always reminds us "housemates are called to nominate in alphabetical order" every Tuesday, and reminds us that "as head of house xxx cannot be nominated". I don't think he would have missed telling us Dale was only eating chillis for a place in Heaven. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The channel 4 website said so in one of the articles about the task. --92.232.184.75 (talk) 21:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Give me a source before you change it back. In23065 (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=10301&position=14 - Line 4 db1987db (talk) 10:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

OK Thanks. In23065 (talk) 10:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

(Stuart's demotion) Also p445 on Channel 4 teletext - Does this therefore mean that Michael will replace him as HoH or will they wait until Saturday? Sauber F1 fan since 1997 (talk) 22:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Rachel is now the week 9 head of house could someone put this on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.38.249.194 (talk) 09:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Walked colour

The walked colour needs to stay as the stronger shade of purple. As it stands, it's impossible to differentiate the light shade of purple from the shades of grey used for current housemates. I can't understand why people keep changing the colour back and forth between light and dark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.177.78 (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I like the 'Walked' colour. I like red for 'not in house' with dark red for evicted and light red for walked. Don't get me started on the 'ejected' colour though...!81.152.87.45 (talk) 12:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ratings

Why half way through the series did people start putting brackets on the audiences that the show got, it is starting to look stupid.

NB: figures in parentheses are overnight figures used as placeholders; they are not counted in averages once official ratings are released

blue-coloured boxes denote live shows. That should anwser your question. --BigOz22 (talk) 02:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

HOH Table

I know there's been lots of talk regarding the HOH table, but another suggestion - Could there be another row instered underneath "Week" with a brief sentence of what the HOH task that week was? The table as it stands at the moment seems to have numbers and 'points' that wouldn't mean anything to someone who hasn't watched the show.

Another thing, I'm not a fan of the red bar for 'not in house'. Too many colours. Can't we have a grey colour like the ANTM tables? I realise, red for 'evicted' is the standard, but we also have Nicole and Maysoon who weren't evicted. So rather than have the white, the red, and the pink, a grey to encompass all of those would look much neater.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.87.45 (talk) 12:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Lisa Comebacks

Should not be a section, it should be noted in the highlights and on Lisa's "bio". --BigOz22 (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I've took it out, why a section for that one incident? It needs to be noted in the exits section for week 9. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Lisa's escape attempt

Should there not be a mention of Lisa's escape attempt last night. aparantly she went through a fire escape, injuring her hand and was subsequently rounded up by security staff to be returned to the house later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.20.123 (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

put it up with source. but someone has deleted it. dont know why i bother contributing because as soon as someone makes any changes to their precious pages they dont like it even if it is with sources and is accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Southgater (talk • contribs) 16:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Lisa's escape attempt did not deserve it's own level 3 header, if you want to contribute try putting information in the correct place. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Week 9 (Head of house)

When are people going to put times on the head of house for the alphabet challenge if you must know Darnell took 51 seconds Rachel took 1min 5 seconds and michael took 14 minutes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Al57 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Written citations please (I know it was on the review programme but it needs to be there for all to see) db1987db (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not really notable, this article is too bloated as it stands and we still have four weeks to go. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It's no less notable than the score in the chilli pepper challenge of Week 8. For that matter the times for the hanging around challenge of Week 7 ought to be included too. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 13:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Under Week 9 punishments it needs to be pointed out that Darnell was banned from nominating as punishment for crossing into hell where he attempted to sleep in the bedroom after embarrassing himself by a comment he made to Sara in the luxury bedroom. Also the wording regarding Nicole's punishment for crossing into heaven suggests that she received her suitcase on arrival but that it was confiscated later. Is that what actually happened? My understanding is that she never actually received it. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 13:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ejected vs Removed

In the housemates infobox someone, 'Ejected' has been changed to 'Removed'. Which one is better? Personally I think 'Ejected' is better. Arswann (talk) 07:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ch4 list housemates as ejected, that is the correct term. This happens every year, someone changes it, twenty people change it back. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Removed is the correct term. It is the one Channel 4 use on their website (rollovers on the housemate banner). Ejected might be a good emotive word to use in a newspaper article but it carries a connotation of force, and no force was used to remove Alex or Dennis from the house. Poltair (talk) 08:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Well then you will have to bow to the established consensus which says Ejected in all eight previous Big Brother articles. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to get all high and mighty about it Darren. I simply pointed out that Channel 4 use the term removed over the term ejected; and that removed is the more encyclopedic term, as ejected suggests the exit was forceful. I have no problem with accepting the established concensus, you will note that I have not altered the term in the article at any time however, I take issue with the claim that it is 'the correct term as used by Channel 4' which is what it says (albeit as a markup comment) in the article's text.Poltair (talk) 12:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ejected must be used as it has been used in previous UK series and although the website states housemates as being removed (for simple people that don't understand what ejected means) in the welcome pack inside the house it uses the word ejected and that is why all the housemates inside the house use the word ejected over removed.

Where in the Welcome Pack does it say ejected rather than 'removed' or 'asked to leave'? Poltair (talk) 18:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that the Welcome Pack is not cited as a source in any of the UK Big Brother articles. Poltair (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

On older Big Brother websites e.g. the BB7 one, the word 'Ejected' is used -- never 'removed'. And also as mentioned it says 'ejected' in the welcome pack, so I think we should definitely stick with 'ejected'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arswann (talk • contribs) 14:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

If anyone wants an update...

[1] TV ratings for last two evictions. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, this isn't a forum. Please read WP:NOT. Dalejenkins | 16:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

How forum?? The ratings section was made invisible (by me) because it lacked up to date sources, I'm just providing a link. Do you want to keep your "not a forum" comments for the n00bs? Darrenhusted (talk) 08:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Golden Balls

Should we mention the similarities between the task and Golden Balls, if we can find a respectable and reliable source? Dalejenkins | 00:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

They are both made by Endemol but rather than them being similar to each other they are both based on the same thing which is the Prisoner's dilemma game/theory Spyka (talk) 00:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Update required for Nominations table

An update is required for the nominations table. According to the page, it says that there are no nominations this week. In fact there will be nominations on Wednesday evening live on Channel 4.

The second live show on Wednesday night will involve the two people up for eviction on Friday competing for a £50,000 prize. There will be no eviction on Wednesday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.21.38 (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the No nominations text. It has been confirmed on BBLB nominations will take place live tomorrow, it'll have to be updated then. Spyka (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

also need to remove HoH noms from table before tonight ATMarsden ^{Whadda ya want?} 08:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Week 12 nominations need correcting. It says that Rachel nominated Lisa & Sara, whereas she actually nominated Lisa & Rex. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddy Rich (talk • contribs) 21:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Week 12 nominations say that Rex nominated Rex & Lisa, whereas he actually nominated Lisa & Sara. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddy Rich (talk • contribs) 21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

HOH Row at the top of Nomination Table

I belive it's been said that there should be a HoH Row at the top of Nomination Table, so, I added it, if it's uneccesary deleted it. --BigOz22 (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be at the bottom tbh. Dalejenkins | 15:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It would be more useful in the HoH section, it was there before but removed because there is no easy way to indicate Stuart lost the title. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

We could cross it like that : Stuart --BigOz22 (talk) 16:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

There is no need for a HOH row because the colour makes it easy enough to indicate who was hoh that week. The only reason why other countries have a HOH row is because their HOH influences who is up for eviction, in the US the HoH gets to pick the nominees and in Australia The HoH get to take one of the housemates off the block and it is as simple as that.Whereas in the UK the HoH does not affect the nomination what so ever apart from the fact that they cant be nominated. In23065 (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)