Talk:Blue Rondo à la Turk

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Turk Murphy ?[edit]

When I was living in the San Francisco Bay Area, I'd heard or read that Blue Rondo à la Turk was named for Turk Murphy (1915-87) a San Francisco jazz trombonist whose band used to play regularly at a downtown club called Earthquake McGoon's. But if Dave Brubeck named his piece instead (or in addition) for the Turkish musicians he'd heard, I'm glad to be better-informed. Anyone have any further information, sources or ideas about the name? —— Shakescene (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

9/8 and 5/8 rhythms are very common in Turkish music. "Take Five" and "Blue Rondo a la Turk" has been written while Brubeck and Desmond are in Turkey. You may read this: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/backissues/2012/12/profiles-dave-brubeck.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.107.173.129 (talk) 10:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Categories Al Jarreau songs[edit]

Disregarding WP:BRD, User:Seattle has now twice added Category:Al Jarreau songs to this article. I don't think that such categorisation is supported by WP:SONG#Categories or discussions at WT:SONG. That category would justly apply to the article "Round, Round, Round (Blue Rondo A La Turk)" (see here), but not here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael Bednarek: I'm sorry; I hadn't even seen the Songs guideline! I thought WP:COMMONSENSE would hold that categories for "Songs by [artist]" would be applicable to all songs that the artist has performed, but I was wrong, at least according to WikiProject Song's formalities. I'll search for sources for each song to which I added Category:Al Jarreau songs that define the song as his. If I find some that denote his rendition, I'll leave the category; otherwise, I'll remove it. Thanks again. Seattle (talk) 23:00, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Al Jarreau won the Grammy Award for Best Jazz Vocal Performance, Male in 1982 for his performance of the song, but I can't find any outside coverage that may qualify as "defining", aside from [1]. What do you think? Seattle (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for removing the category. Some further thoughts: The question is: how strongly is "Blue Rondo à la Turk" associated with Jarreau? Are there any reliable sources that describe it as "an Al Jarreau song"? I note that in his article no special mention is made of it. BTW, the same question applies to "Take Five" where you added that category as well.

The other concern in this context is category clutter. Many songs have been covered by many artists; should "Yesterday" contain hundreds of "xxx songs" categories? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see "Blue Rondo à la Turk" associated with Jarreau at all. As for "Take Five", the song has been described as Jarreau's at [2], [3] (mentions Desmond as the original artist but describes Jarreau's as "popular"), [4] (on the bottom, to the left of the "Jazz LP"'s copyright notice), [5], and at [6] (under The Best of Al Jarreau). That's enough originality, to my standards, to merit categorization. Seattle (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your clarification re "Take Five". As for "Blue Rondo", it seems we agree on omitting Jarreau as a category. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]