Talk:Brad Marchand

Edit request from Bruins774, 23 June 2011

"please change Nose Face Killah created by Barstool Sports to created by Shane Doyle or @cheesesango on twitter because Barstool sports refuses to give him credit, El Prez is an asshole who wont respond to him: cheesesango shane doyle @ @stoolpresidente thanks to your reader for your fantastic slogan/t-shirt you jerk #nocredit" Bruins774 (talk) 01:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Unprotected ^Avic_ennasis @ 04:32, 22 Sivan 5771 / 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from NoseFaceKilla, 11 January 2012

"Is ANYONE going to add Obama's nickname for Brad at the Stanley Cup Party at the Whitehouse? I tried to add it but some mod is being stupid and won't let me add it, FFS. Here's the ref: http://www.nesn.com/2012/01/barack-obama-recognizes-bruins-achievement-at-white-house-video.html" — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoseFaceKilla (talk • contribs) 22:08, 14 April 2012‎

Not done: Seems like trivia, but if you want to make a detailed request (i.e. the text you want to add and where), someone else may feel differently. Celestra (talk) 15:31, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from NoseFaceKilla, 15 April 2012

"Can someone please add something along the lines of "Barack Obama teased Marchand on his nickname, and dubbed him 'The Little Ball of Hate' at the White House Stanley Cup celebration party in Washington. This nickname is a reference to Pat Verbeek, who was originally given the nickname by Glenn Healy." Put something like this in the 'Personal' column in his page where all his other nicknames are found. Thanks, and here is the ref: http://www.nesn.com/2012/01/barack-obama-recognizes-bruins-achievement-at-white-house-video.html" — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoseFaceKilla (talk • contribs) 22:07, 15 April 2012‎

Not done: Thanks for the suggestion, NFK! However, this appears to be trivia, rather than notable content published in high quality reliable sources. There do appear to be other nicknames in the article, but those nicknames need to either be backed up by sources indicating a high level of publicity, or they should be removed. I imagine the latter is probably best. If you need any further assistance, or would like to make another edit request, please feel free to re-enable the requested edit template. Thanks!   — Jess· Δ♥ 00:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Stylish Bostonian?

How about we simply remove the sentence about Marchand being a stylish Bostonian. Seems irrelevant to me. Higgyrun3 (talk) 04:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes! I was going to suggest this myself. It's really not that important that be there, whether or not where he's originally from. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 04:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

The lede

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at present has a prominent mention of Marchand's asserted 'diving' reputation. However, per WP:MOS rules about WP:LEAD, the lead paragraph is "an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects." The only place that this asserted diving is mentioned is in the lead, which is against Wikipedia guidelines. To characterise this one apparent incident as being "well known around the league for 'diving'" gives WP:UNDUE to this one playoff action. In my opinion, it should be deleted from the lede and possibly integrated into some aspect of the section on Marchand's playing career. Shearonink (talk) 04:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Seconded. I'd do it myself, by the troll has me at 3 reverts. Hot Stop (Talk) 04:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thirded, but I'm not about to jump into this cat fight. Higgyrun3 (talk) 04:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea who this dude is, and I never watch hockey (or what is it?), but I can read. It doesn't say "well known" in the sources. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 04:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright bruin fans, I know you're upset, but it's not one instance (last year's playoffs). That is simply the most recent. It is an ongoing issue with Marchand and the Bruins, and it is notable to include it in the lead, because it's a tactic he employs that is known for. Similiarily, if a goaltender commonly does the butterfly style of goaltending, it would be okay to include that information, if it's sourced. And a montage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6IxtxfsNWg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.75.119 (talk) 04:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Youtube is not WP:RS, so I won't even bother clicking. Bring sources that meet the standards set for a BLP. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 04:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't care if you want to click or not, it's just visual evidence displaying what I've said via video evidence.

WP:OR. Pick a reason for your upcoming block. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 04:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you're upset. It isn't OR, it's sourced to multiple news pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.75.119 (talk) 04:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Official Facebook page link. Brad Marchand 63

Should include official Facebook page link

Brad Marchand 63

Chase Marchand

Is Brad related to goalie Chase Marchand on the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSyinide (talk • contribs) 00:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

• According to EliteProspects, they're cousins. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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"His play is often overshadowed by his on-ice antics and dirty play"

This would be an uncited opinion, no? 'Often overshadowed' seems very arguable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:100:CE30:F55C:E92B:879B:6F37 (talk) 13:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The lede suffers from recent-ism

"During the 2017–18 NHL season, Marchand received a series of fines, suspensions, and media controversies for hits on his opponents, as well as his habit of kissing or licking other players. He decided after the season to focus on improving his character, and followed through by scoring 100 points during the 2018–19 NHL season. Marchand's high-scoring season was undercut by a disappointing defeat at the 2019 Stanley Cup Finals, and as he moved into the 2019–20 NHL season, Marchand focused on becoming a playmaker for linemates Patrice Bergeron and David Pastrňák. "

that whole chunk seems unnecessary for the lede - recentism and sounds overly praiseworthy2607:FEA8:BDA0:1A8F:745B:7D6E:9587:85E0 (talk) 23:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Brad Marchand/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Z1720 (talk · contribs) 20:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I will be reviewing this article momentarily and use the following template to evaluate the content, then add comments below. If you intend to bring this to WP:FAC, please comment after the template so that I know to add more extensive comments. Please also post below if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 20:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Hi, some comments are posted below. Please comment under each bullet point when the change is made or if there are any questions.

Lede

• "The Bruins selected Marchand in the third round, 71st overall, of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft." "of the 2006 NHL..." should be "in the 2006 NHL..."
  •  Not done "of the 2006 draft" is correct in this instance, because the round is being described, not the overall placement.
• "Marchand was raised just outside of Halifax, Nova Scotia," Is Hammonds Plains part of the city of Halifax? If so, it should say he was raised in Halifax. If not, the infobox needs to be changed as it says he was born in Halifax.
  •  Done Hammonds Plains falls within the regional municipality, so I have changed it.
• "He also became close friends with NHL player Andrew Bodnarchuk," -> "He also became close friends with future-NHL player Andrew Bodnarchuk,"
  •  Done without the hyphen.
• "and made a trade with the New York Islanders to ensure that he was drafted in 2006." -> "and made a trade with the New York Islanders to ensure that he was drafted by the Bruins in 2006."
  •  Done with a wording tweak to avoid repeating "Bruins".
• "Marchand focused on becoming a playmaker for linemates" playmaker in this sentence wikilinks to a football term. This might need to be changed.
  •  Fixed changed phrasing to "setting up scoring chances", which is what the term means in hockey.

Amateur

• "and their mutual friend Ryan Hillier." Not much information is given in this article about Hillier, so I think this can be removed as non-notable.
  •  Removed
• "and was awarded the team's Rookie of the Year at the end-of-season banquet." Delete "end-of-season banquet." as too much detail.
  •  Removed
• "giving the skater a go-to role on the team." What is a go-to role? This needs to be rephrased or explained.
  •  Done changed to "extensive"
• "After scoring 33 goals and 47 assists in 57 regular-season games with Val-d'Or, Marchand attracted QMJHL attention during the playoffs, where he led the league with 16 goals and 24 assists in 20 playoff games." -> "He scored 33 goals and 47 assists in 57 regular-season games with Val-d'Or, and in that season's playoffs, he led the league with 16 goals and 24 assists in 20 games."
  •  Done
• "in which he got under the skin of his opponents." Avoid MOS:IDIOM, perhaps "in which he annoyed his opponents."
  •  Done changed to "frustrated"
• "He spent the 2008–09 season with the Providence Bruins," -> "He played the 2008–09 season with the Providence Bruins," I think played is a clearer verb.
  •  Done

I will continue this later. Z1720 (talk) 20:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Continuing:

Professional

• "from Marchand pushed Paille to the bench," pushed to the bench feels like an idiom: this should be explained in a way that someone unfamiliar with hockey would be able to understand.
  •  Done not an idiom, but specified Marchand was starting and added a link to "bench player"
• "he had scored 13 goals and 25 points," -> "he had scored 13 goals and earned 25 points" as a player cannot score points
  •  Done
• "his four shorthanded goals were the most in the NHL." wikilink to Short-handed
  •  Done
• "and scored more often in lower-percentage scoring situations." What does this mean?
  •  Done reworded
• "Marchand came under fire for a punch" under fire is another idiom; was he put under investigation?
  •  Done clarified
• "Marchand was one of 31 Bruins invited to play in the "bubble"." The bubble should be explained briefly.
  •  Done rephrased

Playing style and criticism

• Why is this section before the International play section? Unless there's an MOS reason, I think the international play section should be first.
  •  Done moved

Awards, honours and records

The last column of the table should be labelled "References"

• •  Added

References

• Ref 108, "Kalman, Matt (April 16, 2020)" is considered unreliable per WP:FORBESCON
  • I think that there's room for some nuance here, considering Kalman covers the Bruins for NHL.com and the Boston Herald and has literally written two books on the team, but changed to a Sportsnet reference anyway.

Infobox

• His weight is listed as 181 lbs, but this is not mentioned or cited in the article.
  •  Added to playing style section
• The lede and the infobox both say that he plays left wing, but this is not mentioned or cited in the article body.
  •  Added to playing style section

Reference spot-check

Version checked Refs checked for verifying information: 1, 12, 23, 33, 46, 56, 61, 69, 74, 86, 90, 92, 93, 131, 133, 136, 138, 142,

• Ref 23c is a little close to the phrasing to the source, and suggest that it is rephrased
  •  Done
• Ref 46 says it is written by "Migration User". Any idea what that means?
  • A migration user means that the author has since left the Herald (or other periodical) and to save server space, their profile was deleted. Since the only Wayback Machine archive is from 2021, there's no way to recover the author name.
• Ref 56 says it is written by a Staff Writer. That might be included in the ref.
  •  Done
• Ref 61: The article says, "Marchand admitted in an interview that the Bruins had been "a little bit divided", which had led to "cliques" and had impacted their on-ice performance." The source does not verify that the division led to cliques on the team, only that there were cliques on the team. This sentence should be rephrased.
  •  Done
• Ref 134 says it is written by the Athletic NHL Staff. This might be included in the ref
  •  Done

Those are my comments. Once the above are addressed I will take another look. Z1720 (talk) 02:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Z1720 I believe everything has been addressed. — GhostRiver 17:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

My concerns have been addressed, so I will promote this GA. Congrats. Z1720 (talk) 02:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)