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anti-choice vs. pro-life[edit]

My undertanding is that wikipedia uses "anti-choice" rather than "pro-life" as it's more accurate and unbiased. Can you explain why you are editing to use "pro-life" here? Hirolovesswords BlewsClews (talk) 17:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In this article the term "pro-life" is only used in the names of two organizations, the Pro-Life Caucus and the Saskatchewan Pro-life Association. It would be inaccurate to call the groups by other names. Hirolovesswords (talk) 19:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But the "pro-life" caucus is not a proper noun, as it is not a formal caucus like the party caucuses are.Hirolovesswords I defer on the "Saskatchewan Pro-Life Association because it is the name of an actual organization. BlewsClews (talk) 02:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Parliamentary Pro-Life Caucus has been around since 1998 and appears well-established under that name [1] --Hirolovesswords (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That article doesn't prove a caucus is a formal organization. "Pro-life" here is just a basic descriptor. Caucuses aren't a formal arm of parliament. It's just a group of MPs stating their common agreement on a given topic. There could be a "pro-bitcoin" or "pro-cat" caucus and be the same. Also, your article is from "Canada's Life and Family Magazine" so whatever nominclature that magazine uses is obviously biased. Wikipedia's standard language here should cleary be "anti-choice." Note the lack of capitalization as well. BlewsClews (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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We should use Parliamentary Pro-Life Caucus. That is the name of the secretive group as used in sources, both reliable and unreliable (e.g. The Toronto Star, Macleans), meaning that calling it that is not a POV use of wiki-voice and that readers who are pointed toward the name will be able to continue their research about the group.
@BlewsClews: I am not aware of any community policy or guideline that recommends anti-choice over pro-life. I would be glad to learn about one if it exists. I do know our article on Anti-abortion movements has consensus for the use of anti-abortion over pro-life, as discussed in that talk page's FAQ. You might push for phrasing here along the lines of "the anti-abortion Parliamentary Pro-Life Caucus" although I lean slightly toward that being redundant. You might also push for the name in lowercase, which seems to be the preference of a few outlets, including The Globe and Mail. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 18:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Anti-choice redirects to Anti-abortion movements, perhaps due to this discussion, and so does pro-life, so if this had been all about usual Wikipedia terminology (which it isn't but which might have been appropriate for WP:MOS talk) maybe "anti-abortion" would get slight preference. The poorly justified change to "Anti-Choice Caucus" was by 207.195.10.21 who also changed "traditional" to "regressive". Peter Gulutzan (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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