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Conflicting statistics[edit]

When this article's statistics conflict, in many cases there aren't enough references for me to determine which statistic is right.

Competitors table[edit]

In the first big table, the Cycling line says there were 17 men and 9 women, for a total of 26. But if you click the Cycling link, it says Brazil had only 24 competitors, because no more than 24 were allowed. If that is true, then the number of men, the number of women, or both have to be wrong so they can add up to 24.

Further down on that same table, the row for Sailing says there were 12 men and 5 women, for a total of 18. But 12+5=17. If you click the Sailing link, that article confirms the total of 18. But it doesn't say whether 12 men is right or 5 women is right.

4 lines below that Sailing line is a Swimming line. It says 20 men and 18 women for a total of 37. 20+18=38. This time if you click the Swimming link it says the total is 38 (35 for "Pool" and 3 for "Open water"). So changing that number is the best guess.

When I total the existing statistics in that table, I get 316 men, 275 women, and 591 men and women, not 316, 276, and 592. I took precautions against mistakes. Both 591 and 592 conflict with the referenced total of 590 in the infobox. The article's second sentence says "590 athletes, 314 men and 276 women", not 316 men. Of course, any corrections to statistics for individual sports will change the totals.

Medalists by sport table[edit]

In the Medalists by sport table, the Equestrian line says there were one silver medal and two bronze medals, for a total of two (not three). If you click the Equestrian link, it confirms one silver medal and two bronze medals.

But I'm not sure I can trust those individual sport sections – because the line for Cycling for instance says there were two bronze medals, but if you click the Cycling link, it doesn't mention any medals.

Similarly, the Canoeing line says 3 gold medals, 6 silver medals, and 5 bronze medals, for a total of 14. But when I click the Canoeing link, I find only 5 silver medals.

The white column for totals for each sport totals to 140 not 141. But if the Equestrian total is changed from two to three, that makes the total medals agree with 141.

Other medalist tables[edit]

Below that table is a medals by day table and a medals by gender table. Both say there were only 6 total medals. Everything else in the article agrees that there were a lot more than 6 medals. So those tables must have been mislabeled. A good guess would be that it means sailing medals by day and sailing medals by gender, because that would agree with two gold medals, two silver and two bronze.

Below that is a multiple medalists table. The entry for Thiago Pereira says he won three gold medals, two silver medals, and a bronze medal, for a total of five, not six. If you click either the Thiago Pereira link or the Swimming link, it only mentions one silver medal, for a total of five medals.

I stopped there because those were the easiest statistics to check.

Art LaPella (talk) 01:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So I started with the competitors' table to see what I could find. Although neither of the listed references actually had a table, it appears to be a mostly faithful representation of the "official" table here. The main difference is that events like cycling, which is a single entry in the article table, is broken down into BMX, mountain, road, and track cycling on the official website. Totaling up the four entries on the official page for Brazil does show 17 men and 9 women for a total of 26. However, three male athletes who qualified and competed in various road cycling events also competed in the Men's Team Pursuit track cycling event, and are essentially double-counted as a result. If I count the number of unique cycling athletes, I get 14 men and 9 women for a total of 23. According to Cycling at the 2015 Pan American Games – Qualification, Brazil actually qualified 14 men and 10 women, but I can't seem to find out what happened to the 10th woman.

In the sailing event, it appears that there is a typo in the table, as the official site shows 12 men and 6 women for a total of 18.

For swimming, the official table breaks it down into regular (pool) and open water swimming. It says that 2 men and 1 woman competed in open water swimming, and 18 men and 17 women competed in regular swimming, for a total of 38 athletes.

Fixing these numbers brings the article table up to the same numbers as the official site: 316 men and 276 women for a total of 592 athletes. However, we already know that at least 3 male athletes are double-counted due to the way the events are listed, so that actually brings the men's down to 313. My guess is that 590 athletes (314 men and 276 women) did in fact qualify for the games, but some number less than that actually competed. CThomas3 (talk) 06:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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