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The descriptions of songs in these pop-music articles can be mildly amusing in their hyperbole, but there's a serious side. this is an encyclopædia, and we need to bear that in mind. Aside from avoiding purple prose and exaggeration, words should be used correctly; the term "anthem" for example, seems to be seen as little more than a synonym for "song" — it isn't. It has a specific meaning (namely "a song of loyalty or devotion", as to a nation or college (e.g. a national anthem), or a musical composition for a choir set as part ofa church service, or a religious chant sung antiphonally).

While on this subject, note that a plethora isn't just a lot, but an excess, and that a hiatus isn't just a break (as in a holiday), but a gap from which something is missing (usually used with regard to manuscripts and the like). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand what the anonymous user is trying to communicate. Is he attempting to indicate that the repetitive use of the word "song" is vexing? Winnermario 12:43, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's just that (as you've probably noticed) these articles are written in a sort of music-journalist style — full of peculiar misuses of words, overblown language, and a specific brand of jargon. Words like "anthem" are in the first and second categories (similarly, all sorts of verbs misused simply to mean "say", such as "cite", "affirm", etc.). It makes the skin crawl of anyone who either loves language or sees it as a useful tool for precise communication. It's part and parcel of the use of the personal names of the various pop singers (giving a spurious impression of intimacy, as if they're personal friends of "Mariah" or "Kelly" or whoever). (But it's not an anonymous editor.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mel, I think the anthem usage should be put back in. Maybe thats what anthem meant back in the day, but nowadays it has taken on a broader meaning. Look at rock and roll anthem and gay anthem. Unless those articles get deleted, I don't see why we can't label the song as a coming of age anthem if those are allowed to stay OmegaWikipedia 21:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

But they're again in the realm of pop music, which was my point. Also, articles can explain usage, but we're no thereby committed to following it. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:54, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did not look into the history, so my apologies to the editor above who chose not to sign his/her name.

I have noticed just a couple of word misuses in some of Clarkson's single articles, but none are too major to really give someone a kick in the pants. They should, of course, be edited, but I think these music singles articles are exhibited to internet users in a strange fashion. Do the words "flop" and "chart topper" count as encyclopedeic? (Pardon my spelling.) Winnermario 21:30, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; I usually replace "flop" with "failure" when I see it; "chart-topper" involves a recasting of the sentence, usually. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:54, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's easy to rephrase, but I prefer something like, "It was her fourth number-one", or something along the lines of that. Winnermario 23:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Info box[edit]

You're only supposed to include extra covers if there is specific commentaries from critics on them. Done — My December ^(talk) 00:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the certifications, it's defunct now. Done — My December ^(talk) 00:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

The first paragraph is really long, and the third is really short in comparison. Looks quite unbalanced. Done — My December ^(talk) 00:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Internationally, "Breakaway" was a success, peaking inside the top 20 in Europe, while reaching the top 10 of the charts in Australia, Belgium, Hungary and the Netherlands." → "Breakaway" was a commercial success outside of the United States, where it peaked within the top 20 of multiple European counties, and in the top 10 in Australia, Belgium, Hungary and the Netherlands. Done — My December ^(talk) 00:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"In the United States, "Breakaway" was a huge success; it peaked at number six on the Billboard Hot 100 and became her third top ten song in the chart." → In the US, the song peaked at number six on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and became her third top ten song in the chart. Done — My December ^(talk) 00:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It also topped Billboard Adult Contemporary for 21 non-consecutive weeks, a record that is held jointly with Celine Dion's "A New Day Has Come". → It also topped the US [[Adult Contemporary (chart)|Adult Contemporary]] chart for 21 non-consecutive weeks, a record that is now shared between herself and Celine Dion's "A New Day Has Come". Done — My December ^(talk) 00:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't corrected the AC chart link, which I even de-wikified for you: [[Adult Contemporary (chart)|Adult Contemporary]] AARON• ^TALK 10:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oops! Done — My December ^(talk) 10:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Background and release[edit]

Reference the writers. Done — My December ^(talk) 22:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Block quotes should not have "" in them at all, so remove them at the beginning and end. - Noted. Done — My December ^(talk) 22:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Benenate also added that it was Mitchell Leib, the President of Music and Soundtracks for Walt Disney Pictures and Television/Buena Vista Music Group, who secured "Breakaway" as one of the soundtracks of The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement. → Source? Done — My December ^(talk) 22:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
saying "'Breakaway → Why is there a quotation mark followed by an apostrophe. Done — My December ^(talk) 22:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Composition[edit]

How long is the sample?
27 seconds Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Link pop Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by Universal Music Publishing Group, → Remove Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
the song is composed in the key of C major, with a tempo of 160 beats per minute. → Source? Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
""Breakaway" → Double quotes at the start
It is a direct quote. — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the quotes from the block quote. Block quotes are indented so they don't need to be put in quotation marks. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lyrically, the song is about breaking away in order to experience new things in life. In the song, the persona is chasing her dreams and considers of growing up which require her to shed her past in order to gain new experice. The lyrics received positive responses from music critics who praised its message that deals with growing up and breaking free. → None of this is sourced with footnotes.
Re-written and sourced. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception[edit]

I made a few corrections.
noted. — My December ^(talk) 03:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chart performance[edit]

Again, made a few corrections.
noted. — My December ^(talk) 03:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Music video[edit]

No need for three subsections to be honest, they aren't long enough. Simply three paragraphs in one section is fine. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think a screenshot would be beneficial here. Perhaps one of her older and younger self in the same picture?
can't find her older and younger self in the same picture. Instead, I added a screenshot of her attending the movie premiere. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I made a few grammatical corrections and linking. noted. — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances[edit]

Made some improvements to sentence structure and grammar. noted. — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, why does Feb 2005 on SNL come before Jay Leno in August 04? This section needs to be chronological in date order from when she first performed the song. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"all by herself without any dancers, acrobatics, moving set pieces and no special effects." → This really needs to be reworded in a more professional style of writing. "All by herself" is a little fan like. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cover versions[edit]

Made one correction. noted. — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing[edit]

No issues.

Credits and personnel[edit]

There's no need to write "Credits and personnel" and then "Personnel" again underneath, omit the latter. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Charts and certifications[edit]

All of the tables should conform with WP:ACCESS, see "S&M (song)" as an example. (The left hand columns should have the shaded grey effect). Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You say "Weekly charts" but have 2004-06 written there, that's not weekly, that's yearly. There should be three tables for this, Put 2004 peak positions in one table, then underneath that put 2005 peak positions in a different (non-attached) table, then do the same for 2006 peak positions. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Year-end chart table should be three separated tables. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Release history[edit]

Country column should also conform with WP:ACCESS. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

...need work. Lots of them aren't linked the first time they are used, such as FN3, it's MTV and Viacom and need to be linked. Done — My December ^(talk) 15:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
None of the title parameters should be entirely in capitals, such as FN56. Done — My December ^(talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Summary[edit]

On hold until everything is fixed. AARON• ^TALK 13:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done — My December ^(talk) 15:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Passing. AARON• ^TALK 14:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. — My December ^(talk) 15:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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