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British National (Overseas) - extra information[edit]

The AfD for the above article has been closed with the consensus that it should be merged with British nationality law and Hong Kong. Thanks. Babajobu 10:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

British National (Overseas) now has its own article. I think the amount of information on the topic warrants its own article. --Kvasir (talk) 07:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Hong Kong[edit]

I dont think it is appropriate to put to HKSAR flag in an UK nationality article. The HKSAR flag does mean "Hong Kong is part of the PRC" and I replace it with the colonial flag, which it more suitable. BN(O) 16:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ancestry[edit]

my dad was an hk citizen, but left in 1965. i think he had a british passport. do i qualify for a british passport as well even though ive never lived in hong kong?

Exactly what nationality was shown on his passport? Look at page 5. If its says the holder has the right of abode in the United Kingdom, you may be british and need to speak to the nearest British mission for advice. If it says right of abode in Hong Kong then I am afraid that you are not British. --Spartaz 14:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

travel conditions to the uk[edit]

what are the travel conditions to the uk for a bno? whats the maximum amount of time they can stay in the uk per visit? Like all visitors max stay 6 months. Consult the British consulate general in Hong Kong for further advice. --Spartaz 14:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More information is in both BritishHongKong [1] and BNOwiki [2]

airport queues[edit]

when you queue up at the airport, there are 3 queues. 1 for british citizens, the other for eu citizens, and the third is for everyone else. which queue does the bno get on?

There are two queues these days - eu and others. HNK isn't in the EU. --Spartaz 17:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wrong. theres a queue for british and irish, and the eu gets in another queue.

nhs[edit]

im curious as to whether or not bno;s are entitled to nhs in the uk? if they are visiting the uk.

As far as I know, BN(O)s are treated as any other Commonwealth citizen in the UK. --Kvasir (talk) 07:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to 1985??[edit]

What about citizenship status prior to 1985? Status such as British Subjects, CUKCs, BDTCs? --Kvasir 09:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer - British Dependent Territories citizen (BDTC) was the normal status for persons in Hong Kong. Longer answer : The 1985 Act created the status of BN(O) on 1 July 1987 (ie 10 years before handover). BDTC was then ceased on 30 June 1997. So for 10 years there was an "overlap" of both BDTC and BN(O). Of course, not every BDTC became a BN(O) on 1 July 1987, if at all. JAJ 03:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah i know all that, i just want to have that included in the article. --Kvasir 04:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It already is in the article. JAJ 04:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's because i've just added it, the whole half of the article (see history). --Kvasir 04:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese Occupation[edit]

Anyone know the citizenship status for persons born under Japanese Occupation? It was specifically from 25 December 1941 to 16 September 1945. There is no doubt that those born in the territory did not obtain Japanese nationality by birth unless either parent was Japanese national. Was Hong Kong still considered a British territory under Japanese administration? If so, they would have british nationality just like immediately before and after the war. Otherwise, wouldn't they have been stateless (except for Chinese nationality which wasn't even defined yet)? --Kvasir 06:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong was still considered a British colony at the time. Children born in Hong Kong in that period with "enemy alien" fathers did not acquire British nationality (however "father" did not include unmarried fathers). This situation was very similar in other colonies like Singapore, and also in the Channel Islands. JAJ 05:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, thought I've read something like that. It's mentioned in the 1948 Act but that's after the War (perhaps it applies retroactively?) I'll see if I can find any earlier relevant act(s) that reference this. --Kvasir 06:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have started a stub section, hopefully it will attract experts or contributors who can afford the time to research. I myself haven't found anything about enemy aliens or birth in occupied territories in nationality acts prior to World War II, nor can i find any source saying what exactly were the official statuses of UK and Japan in occupied HK. Obviously the UK would view it as a temporary occupation but it was signed over formal surrender. Japan probably viewed HK as a colony of sort. --Kvasir 09:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're looking for information that is not going to be found. Occupation had no effect on whether a territory was part of "His Majesty's dominions" prior to 1949. Anyone born in an occupied territory during World War 2 (Hong Kong, Singapore, Channel Islands etc) unambiguously acquired British nationality unless father was an 'enemy alien.' JAJ 10:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some blog articles in Chinese by current affairs commentator 黃世澤[edit]

Though the content may not be suitable for Wikipedia (as it is only a blog), I would like to put the links here for your reference. The analysis is detailed and good. He thinks that EU granting visa-free access for BNOs is a sign that BN(O) will be upgraded to EU citizenship soon and I am convinced my his analysis. I believe he has done some research in this area. However, if you don't agree with him or have any point to make, feel free to do so.

BN(O) 01:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More information is in both BritishHongKong [9] and BNOwiki [10] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinian (talk • contribs) 12:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that affairs commentator has a wiki user user:Martinoei —Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.179.86.154 (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

特區護照≠中籍, BritishHongKong.com[edit]

I think the essay is a funny one, but it is not a reliable source for Wikipedia. It is only written by an internet users and there is no evidence that the writer is a qualified expert. It mimics the Mingpao's essay in the way of writing. Though I personally agree with some of the points, I don't think the link is appropriate for Wikipedia. BN(O) (talk) 03:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm that is news to me, but without a link to the essay I can't really comment on it. According to the HKSAR_passport article, Chinese citizenship is a requirement. --Kvasir (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right of abode, visa, and entry requirement for other British citizens in HK before 1997[edit]

Is there any information out there about right of abode, and entry requirement for other types British citizens (other than BDTC/CUKC/British subjects connected to HK) before 1997. From History of Hong Kong: "British citizens (without right of abode in HK) are no longer able to work in Hong Kong for one year without a visa; the policy was changed on 1 April 1997." Would be nice to expand on that and include a comprehensive comparison. The article has been focused on HK BDTC's right of abode and entry issues in the UK and not other BOTs, and the reverse. --Kvasir (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Children of BNO Passport Holders[edit]

Are they entitled to BNO passport as well or do they then become Chinese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.14.169 (talk) 11:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, BN(O) status cannot be acquired by descent nor is it automatic. It has to be applied. Children who were eligible would have to apply for the status before the Handover. --Kvasir (talk) 18:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong nationality?[edit]

In Australia, the expression 'Hong Kong national' is often used by the media. If this is also the case in other countries, then perhaps a short section explaining this usage needs to be placed in the article. Any ideas? David873 (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That phrase is incorrect mainly because HK is not a nation and thus, you can't be a national of Hong Kong. That being said, it's a common way for the media to describe foreigners as the National of xx so I am not sure if it bears any particular mention in the article. --Cahk (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Hong Kong is one of those few places on Earth where there is no armed conflict (or its aftermath) currently occurring but its 'citizens' hold ambiguous nationalities. For example, Hong Kongers holding British National (Overseas) status were, strictly speaking, not allowed to become PRC citizens or nationals (regardless of their ethnicity or descent) when British sovereignty ceased in mid-1997 but the PRC government played politics to make the absurd possible. I was just wondering which officially recognised citizenships or nationalities would fall under the label 'Hong Kong national' as used by the media today. David873 (talk) 11:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well.. most HKers do not have ambiguous nationality status - most are Chinese, some are BOCs, some are just BN(O) and quite a large population have foreign 'travel documents'. As what it refers to, my feeling is that they are referring to a group of people who have the right to live in Hong Kong (Right of Abode is not the type of terms you would use on TV) and not 'citizenship' per se.--Cahk (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although many Hong Kong people regard that BN(O), BOC, foreign documents, and HKSAR are merely "travel document", they are not indeed. — HenryLi (Talk) 23:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think the phrase "Hong Kong national" is used to avoid the odd demonym for Hong Kong: Hong Konger, Hongkonger, Hong Kongese, Hong Kong person, etc. I believe they simply mean the person comes from Hong Kong without reference to his legal nationality. --Kvasir (talk) 18:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think you are giving the media too much credit by assuming they have any clue about Hong Kong nationality and citizenship. Simply put, there is no such thing as a "Hong Kong national," the media is not bothering in the least to understand it just using a term because it's easy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.98.230.98 (talk) 15:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

UK declaration on the definition of the term "national"[edit]

Now I wonder what the declaration on 31 December 1982 was. Perhaps http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/ can be of help? – Kaihsu (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sent. – Kaihsu (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The useful response from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has been incorporated into the article. – Kaihsu (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

immigrants to hk in the 1950s[edit]

I would like to know what kind of passport would a Chinese immigrant to hk in the 1950s is entitled to. I can see that if you were born in HK, you are entitled to a BNO passport, but what about those who were born in Guangzhou, and migrated to HK during the 50's? What kind of passports did they get? What was their status? Would they have been considered British subjects after residence in HK for 10 years? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JOIZO (talk • contribs) 00:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can speak from personal experience as my mother was one of these immigrants from the Mainland in the 60s while my father was born in Hong Kong and acquired CUKC at birth. I believe an immigrant was eligible to gain Right of Abode in Hong Kong after 7 years before the Handover (now it's 10?). There was no doubt that my mother had obtained her Right of Abode but I'm not sure she actually made the declaration to become a CUKC or she was naturalised through marriage. My paternal grandmother, who immigrated to Hong Kong sometime before her marriage in the 1930s, had been using a version of British passport specifically for Hong Kong right up to the early 1990s. Again, she might have been naturalised by declaration or through marriage. (My grandfather was not born in Hong Kong either.)
I'm not sure whether obtaining Right of Abode in Hong Kong automatically meant naturalisation as a British subject or if that required a separate declaration. --Kvasir (talk) 18:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Former servicemembers[edit]

Should the efforts of a number of British service members be included in this article, the subject has received significant coverage from more than one reliable source:

  • Fung, Fanny W. Y. (20 January 2015). "Hong Kong's ex-colonial servicemen file for British passports". South China Morning Post. Hong Kong. Retrieved 2 July 2015.
  • Fung, Fanny W. Y.; Kang-chung, Ng (12 March 2015). "Britain rejects appeal to grant full citizenship to former Hong Kong British soldiers". South China Morning Post. Hong Kong. Retrieved 2 July 2015.
  • "Hong Kong veterans fight for right to live in UK". ABC. Australia. AFP. 4 May 2015. Retrieved 2 July 2015.
  • Chong, Dennis (10 May 2015). "'Abandoned' Hong Kong veterans go into battle with Britain". Taipei Times. Republic of China. AFP. Retrieved 2 July 2015.
  • Barnett, Helen (6 May 2015). "Britain could see influx of 400,000 Hong Kong residents amid increasing Chinese control". Express. United Kingdom. Retrieved 2 July 2015.
  • "Westminster Hall". Publications and Records. Parliament of the United Kingdom. 11 March 2015. Retrieved 2 July 2015.

--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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